[DEFEATED] Civil Rights And Anti-Discrimination Act

[Hatzisland]

Under the current plan, it probably would. However, there is an intense debate, both among our advisors and on these forums, of whether affirmative action should be outlawed or be given a "compelling practical reason" exemption, and how that would be clarified. We would like to hear your thoughts on that. And as for tightening the allowances, not necessarily, but it does expand the rights to the hiring and firing of workers, along with acceptance into clubs and organizations. And the case you mentioned would most certainly be protected by this plan.

"To be frank, Ambassador, I believe a compelling practical reason exemption would be key to persuading my Empress to allow me to endorse your proposal, as we do have welfare employment programmes that, by necessity, distinguish between different economic classes in their operation. However, if you incorporate a 'compelling practical reason' exception, it seems to me that this proposal may fail to be distinguished from the Charter of Civil Rights, and further it may not achieve the purpose you intend it to. It is an unenviable problem. The best I could advise is to qualify the potential practical reasons you would accept as reasonable justifications for discrimination, such as the relief of poverty. That said, that would likely involve the creation of a complete list of potential exceptions, which may be troublesome and potentially inflexible. Nonetheless, that is the only solution I can come up with at this time.

"I must also note that other ambassadors have expressed reservations on the legality of your proposal. I have no such opinions, as I have not examined the resolutions closely enough to come to a conclusion at the moment. However, depending on how further amendments may make this proposal further resemble or contradict the Charter of Civil Rights, there may be a further legality problem to contend with.

"I am sorry for my unhelpfulness, Ambassador, but I do hope you will manage to put forth an impressive proposal in the end. Best of luck to you."

We do agree that we are in a really bad position here. Truthfully, the best option known our eyes is to draft a specific list of exemptions to the rule, such as welfare. If you would like to request that we add anything, that would be greatly appreciated.

[Hatzisland]

OOC: If you're moaning about the "compelling reasons" excuse in CoCR on other threads, why are you leaving the same loophole into yours?

We are considering it. Do you think that would be a good idea?

[Araraukar]

Do you think that would be a good idea?

OOC: I don't think any of this is a good idea, but it's not like you're listening to people telling you to drop this.

[Hatzisland]

Do you think that would be a good idea?

OOC: I don't think any of this is a good idea, but it's not like you're listening to people telling you to drop this.

OOC: You are correct. We support this plan, and should complaints cease to a halt, we will propose it. And you still haven't answered my question: Do you think adding a "compelling practical reasons" exemption would be better?

[Christian Confederasion Military]

I'm good with everything, but the "Sexual Orientation" thing. If that's removed you have my support.

[Separatist Peoples]

I'm good with everything, but the "Sexual Orientation" thing. If that's removed you have my support.

"You understand why that is unlikely to fly in the General Assembly, right?"

[Hatzisland]

I'm good with everything, but the "Sexual Orientation" thing. If that's removed you have my support.

It is stated in the Charter for Civil Rights, so we don't have much leverage to remove it. I'll see what I can do.

OOC: Even if I am able to remove the clause, it shouldn't make much of a difference, as it is still protected in the Charter for Civil Rights. But once again, will see what I can do.

[Christian Confederation]

I'm good with everything, but the "Sexual Orientation" thing. If that's removed you have my support.

"You understand why that is unlikely to fly in the General Assembly, right?"

What is?
Sorry so this thread on second account and it interested me.

[Christian Confederation]

I'm good with everything, but the "Sexual Orientation" thing. If that's removed you have my support.

It is stated in the Charter for Civil Rights, so we don't have much leverage to remove it. I'll see what I can do.

OOC: Even if I am able to remove the clause, it shouldn't make much of a difference, as it is still protected in the Charter for Civil Rights. But once again, Will see what I can do.

Thanks, I just think sexual oreantation rights should be there own resolution not pined on to a major one.

[Hatzisland]

It is stated in the Charter for Civil Rights, so we don't have much leverage to remove it. I'll see what I can do.

OOC: Even if I am able to remove the clause, it shouldn't make much of a difference, as it is still protected in the Charter for Civil Rights. But once again, Will see what I can do.

Thanks, I just think sexual oreantation rights should be there own resolution not pined on to a major one.

OOC: As much as I agree with you personally, Separatist Peoples is right. The majority of the WA supports the clause, and would respond poorly if I took it out. I'm trapped either way. Would you consider voting for it anyway?

[Christian Confederation]

Thanks, I just think sexual oreantation rights should be there own resolution not pined on to a major one.

OOC: As much as I agree with you personally, Separatist Peoples is right. The majority of the WA supports the clause, and would respond poorly if I took it out. I'm trapped either way. Would you consider voting for it anyway?

IDK my region votes on how the delaget votes.

[Hatzisland]

OOC: As much as I agree with you personally, Separatist Peoples is right. The majority of the WA supports the clause, and would respond poorly if I took it out. I'm trapped either way. Would you consider voting for it anyway?

IDK my region votes on how the delaget votes.

OOC: I'm confused. IDK= I don't now, so you are saying "I don't know my region votes on how the delegate votes". So are you saying you are required by law to vote the way your WA delegate votes?

[Christian Confederasion Military]

IDK my region votes on how the delaget votes.

OOC: I'm confused. IDK= I don't now, so you are saying "I don't know my region votes on how the delegate votes". So are you saying you are required by law to vote the way your WA delegate votes?

No as a region we vote on how the delaget votes than the delaget votes that way and the other wa members normally fallow the delagets lead.

[Christian Confederation]

OOC: I'm confused. IDK= I don't now, so you are saying "I don't know my region votes on how the delegate votes". So are you saying you are required by law to vote the way your WA delegate votes?

No as a region we vote on how the delaget votes than the delaget votes that way and the other wa members normally fallow the delagets lead.

Sorry it's been a while and I didn't want to dig for this post.

[Hatzisland]

No as a region we vote on how the delaget votes than the delaget votes that way and the other wa members normally fallow the delagets lead.

Sorry it's been a while and I didn't want to dig for this post.

The plan, if no other suggestion are brought up, will be proposed on Friday.

[Kenmoria]

Sorry it's been a while and I didn't want to dig for this post.

The plan, if no other suggestion are brought up, will be proposed on Friday.

(OOC: I suggest not doing that. Your final clause conclusively duplicates CoCR in banning discrimination without a compelling practical purpose. This is fine if there is other unique content, since minor duplication is allowable, but your clause that bans affirmative action without justification is most likely duplication too, since affirmative action is discrimination, just ‘positive’ discrimination.)

[Hatzisland]

The plan, if no other suggestion are brought up, will be proposed on Friday.

(OOC: I suggest not doing that. Your final clause conclusively duplicates CoCR in banning discrimination without a compelling practical purpose. This is fine if there is other unique content, since minor duplication is allowable, but your clause that bans affirmative action without justification is most likely duplication too, since affirmative action is discrimination, just ‘positive’ discrimination.)

I don't think so. I will leave up to the GenSec to decide, but many WA nations still use affirmative action and quotas. If our plan is struck down, then laws will have to be changed across the WA. But, if GenSec does uphold it's legality, would you support it?

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: I suggest not doing that. Your final clause conclusively duplicates CoCR in banning discrimination without a compelling practical purpose. This is fine if there is other unique content, since minor duplication is allowable, but your clause that bans affirmative action without justification is most likely duplication too, since affirmative action is discrimination, just ‘positive’ discrimination.)

I don't think so. I will leave up to the GenSec to decide, but many WA nations still use affirmative action and quotas. If our plan is struck down, then laws will have to be changed across the WA. But, if GenSec does uphold it's legality, would you support it?

(OOC: Whilst I acknowledge that banning quotas is certainly not duplication of CoCR, affirmative action has already been banned by GA #35, at least when there isn’t a compelling practical reason. If, however, Gensec disagrees with me, I would still most likely vote against since there are quotas in some areas of Kenmoria. That wouldn’t be anything to do with your writing, just the topic covered.)

[Hatzisland]

I don't think so. I will leave up to the GenSec to decide, but many WA nations still use affirmative action and quotas. If our plan is struck down, then laws will have to be changed across the WA. But, if GenSec does uphold it's legality, would you support it?

(OOC: Whilst I acknowledge that banning quotas is certainly not duplication of CoCR, affirmative action has already been banned by GA #35, at least when there isn’t a compelling practical reason. If, however, Gensec disagrees with me, I would still most likely vote against since there are quotas in some areas of Kenmoria. That wouldn’t be anything to do with your writing, just the topic covered.)

Affirmative action is allowed in some cases. We would like to ask that you reconsider your stance. As for the plan, we are full speed ahead.

[ChoenStan]

This is an early draft of the plan, intended to reduce discrimination. Please share your comments and suggestions, as it would be greatly appreciated. Also, spoiler=previous draft of the plan. We plan to propose this plan next week.

EDIT: The plan, if there are no objections to its contents, will be proposed on Friday. We would like to thank everyone for their constructive criticisms, and hope to turn this plan into law.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING racial quotas and affirmative action in some cases as discrimination,

The World Assembly,


OUTLAWS the use of quotas both in the public and private sector,

RESTRICTS the use of affirmative action to only when there is a clear, very compelling, and practical reason to do so,

MANDATES that both governments and companies may only use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools if there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING racial quotas and affirmative action in some cases as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of quotas both in the public and private sector,

RESTRICTS the use of affirmative action to only when there is a compelling practical reason to do so,

MANDATES that both governments and companies may only use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools if there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING affirmative action and racial quotas as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.


[spoiler]

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING affirmative action and racial quotas as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies may only use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools if there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING affirmative action and racial quotas as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

CLARIFIES that religious organizations and schools, hard labor jobs, gender based clubs(i.e Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts), and political organizations will be considered to have practical reasons to discriminate.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, or nationality,

SEEKING to expand those freedoms,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

CLARIFIES that religious organizations and schools, hard labor jobs, and other employers and organizations will be considered to have practical reasons to discriminate.

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[Hatzisland]

This is an early draft of the plan, intended to reduce discrimination. Please share your comments and suggestions, as it would be greatly appreciated. Also, spoiler=previous draft of the plan. We plan to propose this plan next week.

EDIT: The plan, if there are no objections to its contents, will be proposed on Friday. We would like to thank everyone for their constructive criticisms, and hope to turn this plan into law.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING racial quotas and affirmative action in some cases as discrimination,

The World Assembly,


OUTLAWS the use of quotas both in the public and private sector,

RESTRICTS the use of affirmative action to only when there is a clear, very compelling, and practical reason to do so,

MANDATES that both governments and companies may only use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools if there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING racial quotas and affirmative action in some cases as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of quotas both in the public and private sector,

RESTRICTS the use of affirmative action to only when there is a compelling practical reason to do so,

MANDATES that both governments and companies may only use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools if there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING affirmative action and racial quotas as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.


[spoiler]

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING affirmative action and racial quotas as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies may only use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools if there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand these rights,

DEFINING affirmative action as applying a minimum or maximum percentage of acceptance based on sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, and sexual orientation or sexual identity,

RECOGNIZING affirmative action and racial quotas as discrimination,

The World Assembly,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, nationality, and more,

SEEKING to expand those rights,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

CLARIFIES that religious organizations and schools, hard labor jobs, gender based clubs(i.e Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts), and political organizations will be considered to have practical reasons to discriminate.

UNDERSTANDING that the World Assembly has outlawed discrimination based on race, gender, economic status, religion, or nationality,

SEEKING to expand those freedoms,

The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZES affirmative action and quotas as discrimination,

OUTLAWS the use of affirmative action and quotas both in the public and private sector,

MANDATES that both governments and companies not use sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, skin color, language, economic or cultural background, physical or mental disability or condition, religion or belief system, sexual orientation or sexual identity as a factor in hiring, firing, or accepting into organizations and schools, unless there is a compelling practical reason to do so.

CLARIFIES that religious organizations and schools, hard labor jobs, and other employers and organizations will be considered to have practical reasons to discriminate.

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How so?

OOC: I'm assuming you mean "I like this very much but this needs more edits."