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Araraukar
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Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:54 am

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:Feel like commenting on this because pregnancy, thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, is fully controllable
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When used properly, the pill is about 99% effective against pregnancy while condoms are about 98% effective against pregnancy

OOC: 99 =/= 100. 98 =/= 100. If a million women could get pregnant from sex, and use a method that's 99% sure, that means ten thousand of them are going to get pregnant (for 98% sure that's twenty thousand) without wanting to get pregnant and in fact clearly trying to not get pregnant. Those ten thousand women should have the freedom to decide to get rid of said unwanted and unintended pregnancy.
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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:06 am

“Ambassador, you have one problem, out of many, with your bill. What if it’s traditional to be gay and get gay married in a nation?”
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Neutraligon
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Founded: Oct 01, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Neutraligon » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:06 am

Greater Rheenia wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
OOC:
I wasn't insulting the draft, I was stating what it was.
[>Everything I don't like is racist/sexist/transphobic]

Yeah, it is. Wanting to deny Women's bodily autonomy and reproductive rights is pretty damn sexist.
[Killing a baby during pregnancy isn't a reproductive right you moron why do you think it's a double murder when you kill a pregnant woman]


Not in a lot of countries!
[You didn't read the rest mate. It clearly stated my reasoning yet you ignored it. Just because Politicians say it doesn't mean it's true. Politicians lying is actually a common stereotype.]


Says the guy who is bringing up the fact that I'm trans, for, no apparent reason? Try reading the draft mate:

This is transphobic because...? He's correct about everything he says.
You're not even worth my time. It's clear you don't understand my arguments.

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Elyreia
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Founded: Jun 29, 2018
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Elyreia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:01 am

Greater Rheenia wrote:3.)Marriage is between a man and a woman. That's how it's been since the beginning of human history and a few progressive ideas in the last 70 years isn't gonna change that. It's basic biology that men and women are essential to keeping the human race alive.


Breeding and Marriage are in zero ways related. Marriage is a social contract - sometimes with religious overtones, but is not required.

Also, please be aware that Ancient Israel had 6 genders, not 2, so... not "since the beginning" even in a religious standpoint.
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Falcania
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Anarchy

Postby Falcania » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:18 am

The author of this legislation has been ejected from the World Assembly.
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Kyoki Chudoku
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Founded: Apr 28, 2017
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Kyoki Chudoku » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:21 am

In order to make comment on this resolution, three Chudokurens were brought in. The first was Tokiko Suou, the Intermittent Head of Diplomacy, who read through the a copy of the resolution with visible confusion. The second was Gikochinai, the head of media and cultural affairs, had had been dispatched specifically because of the fact she loved literally everyone she ever met. Finally, there was Naosu, head of medical affairs, brought in to handle the medical ethics component.

”Alright,” said Tokiko, failing to hide her weary exasperation, ”Let’s get this over with. This resolution is obviously tryin’ to impart what some nations consider traditional as law. I’ll ignore all the various non-human societies in the Assembly because, let’s face it, there are plenty of things to focus on without gettin’ into those complexities. First, I’m pretty sure this stuff is already handled by one resolution or another, and I’m equally sure that said resolution contradicts this one. Besides all that, I see another issue. Moral indecency. That’s subjective. I find democratic countries existing to be a moral indecency, but you don’t see me goin’ around and makin’ a resolution where that’s illegal. I find religion a moral indecency, and that’s everywhere. I don’t find shūkei indecent, but I know some would.” She pointed at the tally-mark scars on her cheek when she said shūkei, hoping that the others would realise that it referred to the act of carving into skin to make said marks.

”This proposal goes on to talk about family. As a survivor of the Nightmare War, where half our population got wiped out, it alarms me that under the definition provided, a single parent with children doesn’t count as a family. No matter what your stance on homosexuality, we should be able to agree that losin’ the ability to be considered a family because your spouse got killed in battle is just insane. Moving on...the hell is Eternal Law and Natural Law? Some religious nonsense? Then you go on to describe flaws and disorders and this is where Naosu comes in. Naosu, please explain why this piece of garbage should be thrown into the nearest incinerator so we can get more use out of it for power at least.”

Naosu nodded. Her face covered by a medical mask, and in surgical attire, she stepped forward. Her green eyes examined the piece of paper she held, and then she spoke, her voice clinical and cold in contrast to Tokiko’s accented gruffness. ”As a Chudokuren medical official, I have dealt with numerous psychological conditions, ranging from commonly recognised occurrences such as schizophrenia and depression to exotic conditions such as cloud guilt and chronic resurgent agony syndrome. What this proposal considers flawed is not defined, but merely implied. I agree with the categorisation of individuals based upon reproductive capacity for medical purposes and am apathetic towards attraction as a whole on a personal basis. I consider the optimal mate to be capable of providing the most effective genetic material to any future children. Others do not see things this way. Gikochinai, for example, will shortly demonstrate her own perspective on the issue. Suffice it to say that the implications of this document are that particular perspective are considered flaws and disorders, when they are relatively minor considerations from a medical standpoint. Additionally, a developing embryo is, if undesired, little more than a harmful parasite, and removal of such organisms should not be hindered based upon an unproven and religious basis which cannot be disproven in the majority of realities. Densetsu Hachi, address the concerns of attraction.”

Much less professional her colleagues, Gikochinai wore her usual attire- a maid costume. She smiled and leapt into the air as she began her part. ”Oh! Hi everyone! So! I’m Gikochinai and I love everyone! Really! I mean it! I know that’s weird! But if it doesn’t hurt anyone, why should it be a bad thing? I don’t know what it’s like to not love someone! But I’d be sad if I couldn’t love someone who loved me in public just because we have different things on our bodies! So I think that part of this is really unfair!”

Tokiko cleared her throat. ”In conclusion, while I’m not concerned about this passing, I don’t think it’s a very good idea. It provides definitions for terms it dies get even use while neglecting to explain other, essential elements. It’s already gonna be rendered useless by existing legislation. And, seriously. Why do people care so much who people love? As a survivor of calamity, lemme say this. Let people have their happiness in this area. What does it matter, one way or another? Sure, execute defilers. They deserve it. But when it gets to this point? Makes me wonder how this came to be at all. Anyway, that’s it from me. Anyone have any questions for us, we’ll respond to ‘em.”
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BlackLight Covenant
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Founded: Apr 24, 2016
Democratic Socialists

Postby BlackLight Covenant » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:30 am

Falcania wrote:The author of this legislation has been ejected from the World Assembly.


Seeing how two other nations in the same region as the author, both of which being called "Genovian [BLANK]" as well, were also ejected from the WA, it seems that this was a classic case of WA multying.

Somehow, I'm not surprised.

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The New Nordic Union
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Founded: Jul 08, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:50 am

Falcania wrote:The author of this legislation has been ejected from the World Assembly.


OOC:
Too bad their common sense did not prevent them from doing this in this society highly untraditional thing...
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Wrapper » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:49 am

Falcania wrote:The author of this legislation has been ejected from the World Assembly.

Indeed.

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