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Genovian Empire
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Common Sense and Protection of Traditional Society

Postby Genovian Empire » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:39 am

AWARE that the current state of the World Assembly is deeply flawed and disordered;

FURTHER AWARE that the World Assembly seeks to impose immoral legislation on Sovereign Nations;

ASHAMED that this Assembly does not already guarantee or recognize the right of an individual and their family to be comfortable walking around their country free from moral indecency,

COGNIZANT that some governments deliberately support affording the right of same-sex marriage in order to suppress the freedoms and liberties of the heterosexual individuals and maintain a controlling presence on traditional marriage and society,

ACKNOWLEDGING that government services seek to destroy the family and society and may endanger life as we know it,

DESIROUS of eliminating those horrors;

It is established:

Definitions:
Gender: Biological sex, in accordance with their birth gender.
Marriage: a union between a man and a woman, the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman in a religious or civil ceremony
Family: a group consisting of parents (man and woman) and children living together in a household,
In the context of human society, a family (from Latin: familia) is a group of people related either by consanguinity (by recognized birth), affinity (by marriage or other relationship), or co-residence (as implied by the etymology of the English word "family") or some combination of these.
Family, a group of persons united by the ties of marriage (union between man and woman), blood, or adoption, constituting a single household and interacting with each other in their respective social positions, usually those of spouses, parents, children, and siblings.
Sexes: Male or Female, into which humans are divided based on their reproductive functions,
Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.
Abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first
induced expulsion of a human fetus
Death: the action or fact of dying from natural causes or by killing
Nations should make their own legislation as they see fit,
Common sense legislation shall be passed based on Natural Law and Eternal Law,
No nation can pass legislation that infringes on the religious beliefs of the citizens, (topic should be left unaddressed, not illegal or legal),
In order to keep an ordered society government should not interfere in the lives of their citizens without just reason,
To protect society Traditional Marriage and Families should be the top priority of all nations,
Proper Medical and Psychological assistance should be provided to all the people who have a disorder or flawed thought to seek the very best out of the Natural Order.
Further clarifies that nothing in this resolution should be read to infringe upon peoples rights, controversial topics should be left unaddressed.
Affirms the place of traditional families in society, and declares that nations are to only permit heterosexual acts of affection in public,
Restricts homosexual acts to the privacy of their own homes, not to be flaunted in public.

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Maowi
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maowi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:56 am

This is just ridiculously open discrimination and contradicts several existing resolutions, not least GAR#35.
Completely opposed.
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Postby Yaguo » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:01 am

Completely PRO this text, although american gay lobby will shut you down
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:03 am

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Sorry, but:
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Yaguo wrote:Completely PRO this text, although american gay lobby will shut you down
I'm neither American nor 'gay', but GenSec has to rule on the legalities of proposals according to the GA's rules & precedents regardless of personal preferences anyway.
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Iran Borovan III
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Postby Iran Borovan III » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:08 am

Tbh the players in this game are socially liberal so this has little chance of passing but you're free to run your nation any way outside the ga forum rp
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Postby Falcania » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:16 pm

We applaud the author's clever ruse to flush out any bigoted holders of backwards and small-minded opinions.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:23 pm

Iran Borovan III wrote:but you're free to run your nation any way outside the ga forum rp

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Macsenoedd » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:30 pm

Yeah This Goes Against My Religion And Laws, So No Thank You.

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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:34 pm

"The WA cares about nobody's religious objections to anything. Just so you all know."

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Postby Elyreia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:09 pm

Probably one of the worst attempts to get a rise out of me since my father commented that my eyeliner made me look like a whore. Categorically opposed, if all else because gender is not the same as biological sex, otherwise you would not need to change its definition in the first place.
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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:21 pm

Besides the fact that I'm pretty certain this proposal contradicts several GA resolutions, the parts about abortion being murder, maintaining the place and function of traditional families and the "homosexual/heterosexual" thing will most likely automatically result in this proposal being shot down when looking at the history of passed resolutions.

Of course, you're free to try again, but I'd recommend making a draft thread first to ensure it...you know...doesn't contradict previous proposals.

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Postby Grug Island » Wed Feb 13, 2019 6:29 pm

Grug wishes he could smash this proposal with rock.
ROCKPOSED.
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Elyreia
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Postby Elyreia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:08 pm

This legislation is highly illegal as it contravenes at least 4 other passed resolutions.

A resolution proposal cannot both legislate and repeal previous legislation.

Opposed.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:03 pm

Grug Island wrote:Grug wishes he could smash this proposal with rock.
ROCKPOSED.

This pretty accurately captures the attitude of most of the opponents of the recently passed resolution.
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Postby Greater Rheenia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:27 pm

Okay name ONE thing this guy is doing wrong by submitting this proposal. Protip: You can't. Let him upload his proposal if he wants to. You don't have to be so bureaucratic about it. I'm 100% pro this resolution.
Wallenburg wrote:
Grug Island wrote:Grug wishes he could smash this proposal with rock.
ROCKPOSED.

This pretty accurately captures the attitude of most of the opponents of the recently passed resolution.
Insulting your political opponents =/= a valid argument
Elyreia wrote:Probably one of the worst attempts to get a rise out of me since my father commented that my eyeliner made me look like a whore. Categorically opposed, if all else because gender is not the same as biological sex, otherwise you would not need to change its definition in the first place.
Literally what relevance does this have to the conversation.
Maowi wrote:This is just ridiculously open discrimination and contradicts several existing resolutions, not least GAR#35.
Completely opposed.
How is this open discrimination? Because he calls abortion murder? Because he supports marriage being defined as one man and one woman? Because he makes valid criticisms of marriage equality? Elaborate with an actual argument please.

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 pm

Greater Rheenia wrote:How is this open discrimination? Because he calls abortion murder? Because he supports marriage being defined as one man and one woman? [nonsense] Elaborate with an actual argument please.


OOC:
You actually nailed it. It's sexist, homophobic, transphobic trash. Well done.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:31 pm

Greater Rheenia wrote:Okay name ONE thing this guy is doing wrong by submitting this proposal. Protip: You can't. Let him upload his proposal if he wants to. You don't have to be so bureaucratic about it. I'm 100% pro this resolution.

Bears Armed wrote:
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1 minute ago: Bears Armed: Illegal — Contradicts existing GA legislation (multiple); RL reference ("Latin").

Wallenburg wrote:This pretty accurately captures the attitude of most of the opponents of the recently passed resolution.
Insulting your political opponents =/= a valid argument

I'm not making an argument, I'm stating a truism.
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Postby Greater Rheenia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:43 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Greater Rheenia wrote:How is this open discrimination? Because he calls abortion murder? Because he supports marriage being defined as one man and one woman? [nonsense] Elaborate with an actual argument please.


OOC:
You actually nailed it. It's sexist, homophobic, transphobic trash. Well done.
1.) Not an argument. Insults aren't arguments.
2.)Being against abortion isn't sexist in the slightest
3.)Marriage is between a man and a woman. That's how it's been since the beginning of human history and a few progressive ideas in the last 70 years isn't gonna change that. It's basic biology that men and women are essential to keeping the human race alive.
4.)This literally has nothing to do with Transgenderism. Just because you're transgender like it says in your OOC doesn't mean you get to shoehorn it into every conversation for attention.

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:54 pm

Greater Rheenia wrote:1.) Not an argument. Insults aren't arguments.


OOC:
I wasn't insulting the draft, I was stating what it was.

Greater Rheenia wrote:2.)Being against abortion isn't sexist in the slightest


Yeah, it is. Wanting to deny Women's bodily autonomy and reproductive rights is pretty damn sexist.

Greater Rheenia wrote:3.)Marriage is between a man and a woman.


Not in a lot of countries!

Greater Rheenia wrote:4.)This literally has nothing to do with Transgenderism. Just because you're transgender like it says in your OOC doesn't mean you get to shoehorn it into every conversation for attention.


Says the guy who is bringing up the fact that I'm trans, for, no apparent reason? Try reading the draft mate:
DESIROUS of eliminating those horrors;
[...]
Definitions:
Gender: Biological sex, in accordance with their birth gender.
[...]
Sexes: Male or Female, into which humans are divided based on their reproductive functions,
Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.
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Postby Greater Rheenia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:03 am

Tinfect wrote:
Greater Rheenia wrote:1.) Not an argument. Insults aren't arguments.


OOC:
I wasn't insulting the draft, I was stating what it was.
[>Everything I don't like is racist/sexist/transphobic]
Greater Rheenia wrote:2.)Being against abortion isn't sexist in the slightest

Yeah, it is. Wanting to deny Women's bodily autonomy and reproductive rights is pretty damn sexist.
[Killing a baby during pregnancy isn't a reproductive right you moron why do you think it's a double murder when you kill a pregnant woman]
Greater Rheenia wrote:3.)Marriage is between a man and a woman.


Not in a lot of countries!
[You didn't read the rest mate. It clearly stated my reasoning yet you ignored it. Just because Politicians say it doesn't mean it's true. Politicians lying is actually a common stereotype.]
Greater Rheenia wrote:4.)This literally has nothing to do with Transgenderism. Just because you're transgender like it says in your OOC doesn't mean you get to shoehorn it into every conversation for attention.


Says the guy who is bringing up the fact that I'm trans, for, no apparent reason? Try reading the draft mate:
DESIROUS of eliminating those horrors;
[...]
Definitions:
Gender: Biological sex, in accordance with their birth gender.
[...]
Sexes: Male or Female, into which humans are divided based on their reproductive functions,
Male: of or denoting the sex that produces small, typically motile gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.
Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.

This is transphobic because...? He's correct about everything he says.
You're not even worth my time. It's clear you don't understand my arguments.
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Postby Tinfect » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:11 am

Greater Rheenia wrote:[>Everything I don't like is racist/sexist/transphobic]


OOC:
Oooh! A greentext meme! Bet you think you're funny!

Consider; it's pretty fucking easy to recognize shit like this when you don't pretend it doesn't exist.

Greater Rheenia wrote:[Killing a baby during pregnancy isn't a reproductive right you moron why do you think it's a double murder when you kill a pregnant woman]


Insults, very clever man, you. As it turns out, the right to bodily autonomy includes reproductive rights such as abortion! Women shouldn't be forced to have children they don't want as a consequence of biological processes out of their control! Stopping a potential life isn't remotely the same thing as killing a person!

Greater Rheenia wrote:[You didn't read the rest mate. It clearly stated my reasoning yet you ignored it. Just because Politicians say it doesn't mean it's true. Politicians lying is actually a common stereotype.]


I did read it! But it turned out that it was irrelevant nonsense about the nature of species with sexual reproduction, instead of uh, marriage, which is something humans came up with.

Greater Rheenia wrote:[This is transphobic because...? He's correct about everything he says.]


He's not actually! He's technically right about the spiel with sexual reproduction, but that has literally nothing whatsoever to do with gender! You see, the problem here is that he creates a system by which gender is bound to biological sex in a silly and unscientific way! It also doesn't account for the fact that not even sex is binary, and reduces what we normally consider sex into simple gamete production that doesn't quite reflect reality!
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Postby Nyasantara » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:17 am

The government of the People's Republic of Nyasantara firmly rejects and opposes this blatantly reactionary proposal to strip the rights of LGBT people and women. We welcome all nations to join us in the cause of progress and justice to oppose this and defend the rights of marginalised and disenfranchise peoples everywhere.

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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:05 am

Just leave the WA lol, I agree with your arguments but I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of players here are bleeding heart liberals... I suggest finding a region of like minded people and getting into things like regional politics whilst ignoring the WA.... Stop wasting your time trying to get through proposals that, even if they were legal, would not get passed


Kind of remind me of right wing AOC, trying to push bills that are simply unfeasible
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Postby Sapientia Et Bellum » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:09 am

Tinfect wrote:Insults, very clever man, you. As it turns out, the right to bodily autonomy includes reproductive rights such as abortion! Women shouldn't be forced to have children they don't want as a consequence of biological processes out of their control! Stopping a potential life isn't remotely the same thing as killing a person!

Feel like commenting on this because pregnancy, thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, is fully controllable (except for in cases of rape).... Birth control, condoms, and abstinence work incredibly well to prevent unwanted pregnancies believe or not.... Stop thinking that pregnancy isnt a choice (excluding cases of rape, naturally)

When used properly, the pill is about 99% effective against pregnancy while condoms are about 98% effective against pregnancy when used correctly (Of course condoms are prone to failure due to breakages and what not)... If both are in use, a couple should be able to enjoy sex with little fear of pregnancy not to mention the added plus of protection against the spread of STDs.... Of course, pure abstinence also works as no one is forcing you to sleep around but I digress.... my point is that unwanted pregnancies are easily preventable before conception even occurs
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The New Nordic Union » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:46 am

Sapientia Et Bellum wrote:
Tinfect wrote:Feel like commenting on this because pregnancy, thanks to the wonders of modern medicine, is fully controllable (except for in cases of rape).... Birth control, condoms, and abstinence work incredibly well to prevent unwanted pregnancies believe or not.... Stop thinking that pregnancy isnt a choice (excluding cases of rape, naturally)

When used properly, the pill is about 99% effective against pregnancy while condoms are about 98% effective against pregnancy when used correctly (Of course condoms are prone to failure due to breakages and what not)... If both are in use, a couple should be able to enjoy sex with little fear of pregnancy not to mention the added plus of protection against the spread of STDs.... Of course, pure abstinence also works as no one is forcing you to sleep around but I digress.... my point is that unwanted pregnancies are easily preventable before conception even occurs


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That still is not 100% security, and that is never achievable but for the most invasive surgical procedures. So, no, pregnancy is not fully controllable.

Also, regarding the abstinence/sleeping around: First, 'sleeping around' has nothing to do with it, as unwanted pregnancies can occur in stable, monoamorous relationships. Second, it is not for you to police other people's sexuality.
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