THX1138 wrote:the obvious need to repeal the target before that patch to GAR#035 can be legally created.
OOC: You don't need to repeal anything to legislate on church inequality.
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by Araraukar » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:15 pm
THX1138 wrote:the obvious need to repeal the target before that patch to GAR#035 can be legally created.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by THX1138 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:26 pm
by Arasi Luvasa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:31 pm
by THX1138 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:38 pm
Arasi Luvasa wrote:Repealing it won't remove that. If it passes, that precedent stays in place even if the resolution is repealed (It stays on the books as well, just crossed out)
by Arasi Luvasa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:50 pm
THX1138 wrote:Arasi Luvasa wrote:Repealing it won't remove that. If it passes, that precedent stays in place even if the resolution is repealed (It stays on the books as well, just crossed out)
Until this is repealed, any attempt to repair GAR#035 will be HM. A simple clause in that repair nullifying precedent set by any previously repealed law, closes that loop.
by Aexnidaral » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:06 pm
by Kranostav » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:11 pm
Aexnidaral wrote:Europeia will be opposing this vociferously.
by Aexnidaral » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:40 pm
by Araraukar » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:40 am
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Sheitstormia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:46 am
by The New Nordic Union » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:59 am
Sheitstormia wrote:To add, this legislation also does not contain any restrictions on the age of the potential spouse. It opens up so many loopholes on the topic of pedophilia, which I personally stand firmly against.
By the wording of the legislation you are compelled to sanction any organization that discriminates based on sexuality or other attributes, and then it lists AGE as an example of said attributes. Which means that if someone identifies as the sexuality of "pedosexual" it now requires the state to sanction itself as it is, in some cases, required to prosecute pedophiles. This legislation now protects these sexual predators indirectly and can contradict with previously passed legislature on a national level.
Emphasis mine. This shows that you can set age limits; they just have to apply to everyone.MANDATES that every member nation must grant exactly the same rights, powers, permissions and services to individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to exactly the same qualifying conditions. Such conditions may not include the sexuality or gender of the individual(s) concerned.
REQUIRES all member nations which allow civil marriages between individuals of a certain sexuality or gender to allow civil marriages between individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to previously passed extant World Assembly resolutions.
by Falcania » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:00 am
Sheitstormia wrote:To add, this legislation also does not contain any restrictions on the age of the potential spouse. It opens up so many loopholes on the topic of pedophilia, which I personally stand firmly against.
By the wording of the legislation you are compelled to sanction any organization that discriminates based on sexuality or other attributes, and then it lists AGE as an example of said attributes. Which means that if someone identifies as the sexuality of "pedosexual" it now requires the state to sanction itself as it is, in some cases, required to prosecute pedophiles. This legislation now protects these sexual predators indirectly and can contradict with previously passed legislature o9n a national level.
by Bears Armed » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:04 am
OOC: That's right.[/one-sixth of GenSec].The New Nordic Union wrote:Sheitstormia wrote:To add, this legislation also does not contain any restrictions on the age of the potential spouse. It opens up so many loopholes on the topic of pedophilia, which I personally stand firmly against.
By the wording of the legislation you are compelled to sanction any organization that discriminates based on sexuality or other attributes, and then it lists AGE as an example of said attributes. Which means that if someone identifies as the sexuality of "pedosexual" it now requires the state to sanction itself as it is, in some cases, required to prosecute pedophiles. This legislation now protects these sexual predators indirectly and can contradict with previously passed legislature on a national level.
OOC:
No, it does not.Emphasis mine. This shows that you can set age limits; they just have to apply to everyone.MANDATES that every member nation must grant exactly the same rights, powers, permissions and services to individuals of all sexualities and genders, subject to exactly the same qualifying conditions. Such conditions may not include the sexuality or gender of the individual(s) concerned.
by Butwan » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:04 am
by Wallenburg » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:18 am
Butwan wrote:IC: The Republic of Butwan shall fully support this move to repeal this one-sided law.
OOC: Fairly new to the whole RP in this game. But, I can't get over how some of the resolutions here discriminates or totally denies the RP on a nation's policy gathered through issue-answering. For example, my nation has the Permanent Marriage Policy where it makes all divorce illegal. So section 1.d. of DRSGM breaks that policy. Are we really going to implement a resolution that would harm autonomy of a nation to create it's own laws and policies.
by The Sheika » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:22 am
Butwan wrote:IC: The Republic of Butwan shall fully support this move to repeal this one-sided law.
OOC: Fairly new to the whole RP in this game. But, I can't get over how some of the resolutions here discriminates or totally denies the RP on a nation's policy gathered through issue-answering. For example, my nation has the Permanent Marriage Policy where it makes all divorce illegal. So section 1.d. of DRSGM breaks that policy. Are we really going to implement a resolution that would harm autonomy of a nation to create it's own laws and policies.
by Kranostav » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:37 am
by Firstaria » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:25 am
MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.
CLARIFIES that religious organizations and their internal discrimination do not fall under this resolution, and should be addressed by future legislation.
by Libervalley » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:36 am
by Maowi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:41 am
Firstaria wrote:" To be frankly honest, although we do not stay under the WA, some of our sister nations are and so we must raise some objections that may help this repeal.MANDATES that all member nations must allow each of their citizens to choose or change their own gender, and that member nations must officially recognise and accept the individual's chosen gender.
Is in this point any limitation to the gender chosen? Is the individual pretty much to decide a gender exist? Couldn't this be used in order to create "nominative" problems like calling your gender "not-x" or "superior-than-x" to cause the same discrimination that this law is trying to avoid?
Firstaria wrote:CLARIFIES that religious organizations and their internal discrimination do not fall under this resolution, and should be addressed by future legislation.
We also find the term "should" a grossly oversight. This resolution is in some sort trying to ask the WA to address something the WA may not want to address or has already addressed. No resolution should do such thing in our opinion. "
by Wallenburg » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:33 pm
THX1138 wrote:A revised version of this repeal has been submitted for review and to ensure legality.
by THX1138 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:40 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Why are you in such a rush?
by Wallenburg » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:45 pm
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