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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:58 am

Vichy Rich wrote:It is a national issue regarding firearms, and we believe it should be restricted on a worldwide level

"Why? What possible international utility is there in doing so? What benefit does the WA derive? What transvoundary issue is caused by civilian firearm ownership? And why should nations with broad firearm rights agree to such restrictions? And, perhaps most importantly, how do you reconcile this with GAR#399's limitations on the WA's power to restrict civilian firearm ownership? There is nothing imminantly lawless about owning firearms if firearm ownership is legal domestically, after all.

"There is no compelling policy reason to bar civilians from owning small arms at an international level. Member states are better qualified by far to determine whether populations can be armed, and whether the ancillary effects of an armed populace are a desirable policy result."
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Postby North Saitama » Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:12 pm

"Absolutely opposed, on the grounds that it intrudes on both the sovereign right of nations to self-govern, and the individual liberties of the citizens of said states.

North Saitama values herself on an individually free populace that is allowed to defend itself with privately-owned firearms if a citizen so chooses. We would consider it both a massive intrusion on our sovereignty, and the individual liberties of our citizens, and would consider it an overstep of the World Assembly's authority."
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:47 am

“National Firearm Safety Act”.

How cute. Just once I would like to see a little intellectual honesty. Go ahead and call this what it really is; “National ‘guns scare me so nobody should have them’ Act”.

If you want to ban guns in your nation, whatever. Your call. But banning them everywhere? Nope. We are not responsible for protecting your delicate sensibilities. This proposal has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with “I don’t like it so Ban It”, and with enabling an unchecked expansion of government power.
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Postby New Bremerton » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:25 am

While New Bremerton itself observes and enforces a total gun ban in peacetime as most countries do, we are also of the opinion that it is up to the governments of individual member nations to determine how best to regulate the private possession and use of firearms within their national borders. This is not an international issue.

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Postby Maletora » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:15 pm

As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.
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Postby Vichy Rich » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:02 pm

Maletora wrote:As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.


Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:12 pm

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.


Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!

"That is a call for member states to make. Not for you to force upon them. Again, if you dislike the concept of civilian firearm ownership, ban it in your nation. Why force the issue on nations that permit firearm ownership and also have no great history of civilian attacks?"

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Postby Caspian Settlement » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:30 pm

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.


Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!

"Part of the World Assembly is accounting for the residents of member nations, which every author must do when drafting their own proposal. Most member nations of the World Assembly would likely appreciate having maximum flexibility to legislate on firearms in regards to their citizens, especially for member nations who have firearm ownership as a constitutional right, which your proposal would infringe upon."
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:45 pm

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.


Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!

Yeah, it is a right. And government is not the end all and be all of everything.

As I stated previously, because you hate guns is not sufficient reason to ban them.
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Postby Maletora » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:49 am

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.


Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!

Oh of course, if you are silly enough to trust your local government absolutely, then by all means. Unfortunately we do not have such a luxury, since our people very keenly aware of what happens when the political class starts to get silly ideas of grandeur and decides that they no longer have to answer to the people of whom they represent. That and our own studies have shown that with a sufficiently armed populace, crime rates plummet everywhere you look. My fine sir, I believe that you are sadly misinformed about the importance of an armed citizenry and the benefits that it brings.
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Postby Falcania » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:16 am

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:As this is an extreme violation of national sovereignty as well as citizens rights, We the people of Maletora stand diametrically opposed to this resolution and declare it an affront to human rights.


Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!


I can't speak for humans but it's definitely a violation of Falcanian rights.
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Postby Vichy Rich » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:12 am

Maletora wrote:
Vichy Rich wrote:
Violation of human rights! You think it is a human right to own a lethal weapon! Only officers and representatives of the federal government should be armed to prevent possible attacks!

Oh of course, if you are silly enough to trust your local government absolutely, then by all means. Unfortunately we do not have such a luxury, since our people very keenly aware of what happens when the political class starts to get silly ideas of grandeur and decides that they no longer have to answer to the people of whom they represent. That and our own studies have shown that with a sufficiently armed populace, crime rates plummet everywhere you look. My fine sir, I believe that you are sadly misinformed about the importance of an armed citizenry and the benefits that it brings.


After we removed all firearms from our citizens, crime has plummetted also! No one individual has been capable of receiving a firearm and using it to commit a criminal act.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:21 am

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:Oh of course, if you are silly enough to trust your local government absolutely, then by all means. Unfortunately we do not have such a luxury, since our people very keenly aware of what happens when the political class starts to get silly ideas of grandeur and decides that they no longer have to answer to the people of whom they represent. That and our own studies have shown that with a sufficiently armed populace, crime rates plummet everywhere you look. My fine sir, I believe that you are sadly misinformed about the importance of an armed citizenry and the benefits that it brings.


After we removed all firearms from our citizens, crime has plummetted also! No one individual has been capable of receiving a firearm and using it to commit a criminal act.

We are properly impressed. Congrats on being a good little fascist. Now leave the rest of us to determine our own firearms ownership policies, eh? Outright bans of anything starting as One-size-fits-all is near always becomes one-size-fits-nobody.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:45 am

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:Oh of course, if you are silly enough to trust your local government absolutely, then by all means. Unfortunately we do not have such a luxury, since our people very keenly aware of what happens when the political class starts to get silly ideas of grandeur and decides that they no longer have to answer to the people of whom they represent. That and our own studies have shown that with a sufficiently armed populace, crime rates plummet everywhere you look. My fine sir, I believe that you are sadly misinformed about the importance of an armed citizenry and the benefits that it brings.


After we removed all firearms from our citizens, crime has plummetted also! No one individual has been capable of receiving a firearm and using it to commit a criminal act.

"That's no reason to implement the policy WA-wide."

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Postby American Pere Housh » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:50 am

Vichy Rich wrote:
Maletora wrote:Oh of course, if you are silly enough to trust your local government absolutely, then by all means. Unfortunately we do not have such a luxury, since our people very keenly aware of what happens when the political class starts to get silly ideas of grandeur and decides that they no longer have to answer to the people of whom they represent. That and our own studies have shown that with a sufficiently armed populace, crime rates plummet everywhere you look. My fine sir, I believe that you are sadly misinformed about the importance of an armed citizenry and the benefits that it brings.



After we removed all firearms from our citizens, crime has plummetted also! No one individual has been capable of receiving a firearm and using it to commit a criminal act.


Criminals can get guns off the black market. I oppose this because every sentient species has a right to defend themselves and the police can't be everywhere at once. If passed, American Pere Housh will openly defy it by passing pro-gun laws and telling my police not to enforce the law.
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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:37 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
Vichy Rich wrote:

After we removed all firearms from our citizens, crime has plummetted also! No one individual has been capable of receiving a firearm and using it to commit a criminal act.


Criminals can get guns off the black market. I oppose this because every sentient species has a right to defend themselves and the police can't be everywhere at once. If passed, American Pere Housh will openly defy it by passing pro-gun laws and telling my police not to enforce the law.

(OOC: Don’t do that; there are much better ways of showing your dissatisfaction with a bill than blantantly noncomplying with it. It is often seen as irritating if players just ignore legislation without actually considering it and roleplaying accordingly.)
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Postby Maletora » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:01 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
Vichy Rich wrote:

After we removed all firearms from our citizens, crime has plummetted also! No one individual has been capable of receiving a firearm and using it to commit a criminal act.


Criminals can get guns off the black market. I oppose this because every sentient species has a right to defend themselves and the police can't be everywhere at once. If passed, American Pere Housh will openly defy it by passing pro-gun laws and telling my police not to enforce the law.

Not to mention that this act directly threatens my nations economy, since the vast majority of our money comes from our arms manufacturing.
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Postby Grand Unity of the Righteous Nation Cele » Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:18 pm

"A legislation created personally by our Grand Monarch mandates, that every Celean above the age of 15 years must own a firearm. This... farcical proposal of yours would be impossible to put into action due to opposition from our goverment and populace but since it is, whether you accept it or not, an attempt from a foreign nation to dictate our core values an act of hostile aggression which mandates us to pre-emptively defend our homeland, we are in strong opposition and urge You not to submit this for proposal."
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:07 pm

You may as well try to ban war itself. There's no chance in hell I or any significant portion of the WA will support this.
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"The Imperium, on the other hand," said Feren, stepping out from behind the Wallenburgian delegation, "being a reasonable nation, sees little reason to oppose. A civilian has no need of military weapons; allowance of such merely promotes criminal activity and terrorist acts.

However, there are reasons to oppose, however little. The draft is, in a word, clunky, the majority of the definitions could be replaced entirely by a single one protecting the rights of those Government personnel specifically authorized to handle such weaponry. The definitions such does not replace, could simply be excluded, being quite simple terms. Finally, the tenth clause, is entirely illegal, due to the existence of Resolution Seventy-Nine.

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Postby Aclion » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:39 pm

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Kenmoria wrote:OOC: Don’t do that; there are much better ways of showing your dissatisfaction with a bill than blantantly noncomplying with it.

Yep there are several clause that allow nation to maintain a right to bear arms. Just takes a bit of creative legislation. However this is entirely academic as this proposal is blatantly illegal.
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Postby Elyreia » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:18 pm

Vichy Rich wrote:
Elyreia wrote:All Elyreian citizens are provided a privately owned military-grade firearm or sidearm to increase the speed and efficiency of our national draft conscription process (effectively "off-duty"). All Elyreian law enforcement also may keep their sidearms privately when not on duty.

Clause 1 and Clause 5 appear to be in contravention, as you state it is illegal to provide weapons to off-duty military personnel, and then about-face and state that military personnel may be armed.

We will be voting against such legislation that may impede our national defense and law-enforcement abilities in such a manner.


Military personnel may be provided firearms whilst on duty but may not posses them privately or for private use


Unacceptable due to the phrase "on duty"; this implies they must be in-uniform or on-base. In times of invasion or national crisis, our Citizens must be mustered to national defense as quickly as possible to limit the damage of incursion. As such, our reservist forces (which are decidedly NOT "on duty") must have at least basic weaponry available to speed up drafting and mustering.

We are opposed.

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Postby Vichy Rich » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:28 am

Grand Unity of the Righteous Nation Cele wrote:"A legislation created personally by our Grand Monarch mandates, that every Celean above the age of 15 years must own a firearm. This... farcical proposal of yours would be impossible to put into action due to opposition from our goverment and populace but since it is, whether you accept it or not, an attempt from a foreign nation to dictate our core values an act of hostile aggression which mandates us to pre-emptively defend our homeland, we are in strong opposition and urge You not to submit this for proposal."


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"To the rest, your failure to recognize the possession of firearms is dangerous in the hands of regular civilians, the threats they pose to the government is immense and should be restricted to follow the proposal!"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:35 am

Vichy Rich wrote:
Grand Unity of the Righteous Nation Cele wrote:"A legislation created personally by our Grand Monarch mandates, that every Celean above the age of 15 years must own a firearm. This... farcical proposal of yours would be impossible to put into action due to opposition from our goverment and populace but since it is, whether you accept it or not, an attempt from a foreign nation to dictate our core values an act of hostile aggression which mandates us to pre-emptively defend our homeland, we are in strong opposition and urge You not to submit this for proposal."


"The nation of Vichy Rich will not stand down to such threats of a foreign power due to a Proposal, we will not threat or back down to commit to a conflict with your nation!" The Delegation of Vichy Rich dressed in Military Formals

"To the rest, your failure to recognize the possession of firearms is dangerous in the hands of regular civilians, the threats they pose to the government is immense and should be restricted to follow the proposal!"

"More bluster and threats of micromanagement. Are you not out of hot air yet, ambassador?"

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Postby Falcania » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:40 am

Seems ready to me. You should submit your daft nazi legislation and see what happens.
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