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Essu Beti
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Postby Essu Beti » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:45 am

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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:54 am

Aclion wrote:"Molon labe"

Kenmoria wrote:OOC: Don’t do that; there are much better ways of showing your dissatisfaction with a bill than blantantly noncomplying with it.

Yep there are several clause that allow nation to maintain a right to bear arms. Just takes a bit of creative legislation. However this is entirely academic as this proposal is blatantly illegal.

(OOC: I’m presuming you mean contradiction with GA #399, clause 5. In which case, yes, this stops the proposal in its tracks unless the author can figure out what to do with it. Vichy Rich, I suggest either demonstrating how people with firearms pose an imminent threat of lawlessness, which could be very hard to accomplish, or just dropping this idea entirely.)
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:55 am

Still illegal.
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Elyreia
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Postby Elyreia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:35 pm

Vichy Rich wrote:
"To the rest, your failure to recognize the possession of firearms is dangerous in the hands of regular civilians, the threats they pose to the government is immense and should be restricted to follow the proposal!"


All Elyreian Citizens are drilled and trained during compulsory military service to learn how to operate a firearm, and all Citizens are reservists in the Elyreian Military.

We do not have "regular citizens" with whom firearm ownership would be dangerous.

We remain vehemently opposed, and I will be more than happy to return in my own military dress uniform if you require further proof of our commitment.
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Masurbia
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Postby Masurbia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:44 pm

5. CLARIFIES that it is not unlawful to provide an individual with a firearm if they are Law Enforcement, Court Enforcement, Border Security, Airport Security, Military & Reserve Personnel, Personal Protection Squadrons, Professional Firearms Studies, Government Employed Security Officers

So what about Port security or Train Station security?

5. CLARIFIES that it is not unlawful to provide an individual with a firearm if they are Law Enforcement, Court Enforcement, Border Security, Airport Security, Military & Reserve Personnel, Personal Protection Squadrons, Professional Firearms Studies, Government Employed Security Officers

What makes law enforcement different from government employed security officers?
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Elyreia
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Postby Elyreia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:52 pm

Masurbia wrote:What makes law enforcement different from government employed security officers?


The Elyreian Princely Guard are not law enforcement, but they may detain and apprehend criminals to the defense of the Princely House. Or perhaps contracted security forces which are privately owned but used by the state in lieu of law enforcement or guards? Maybe embassy contracted security forces?
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Masurbia
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Postby Masurbia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:58 pm

Elyreia wrote:
Masurbia wrote:What makes law enforcement different from government employed security officers?


The Elyreian Princely Guard are not law enforcement, but they may detain and apprehend criminals to the defense of the Princely House. Or perhaps contracted security forces which are privately owned but used by the state in lieu of law enforcement or guards? Maybe embassy contracted security forces?

I feel like the clause could just be simplified to "It is not unlawful to provide an individual with a firearm if they are permitted by the government" Then there's not a whole list of who can and who can't obtain a firearm.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:02 pm

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly: Against. This does nothing to improve the safety of firearms, let alone the safety of bubblewrap salesmen. As Lydia would have reminded you, whackjobs with guns have executed the grand total of one terrorist attack and about ten mass shootings since she passed the Arms Deregulation Act that finally made self-defence a legitimate reason to arm oneself in 1993.
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Hatzisland
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Postby Hatzisland » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:11 pm

Are you crazy? Outlawing the personal use of firearms? Is that not illegal(and if it is, shouldn't it be)? This is a ridiculous plan, that will be dead on arrival. This isn't something a government trying to promote firearm safety would do, but something a tyrannical government would try to do. Also, keep your Marxist failures in your country. Don't try and impose it on us.
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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:11 pm

IC: "Against. Gun ownership in my country is a right; Who are you to try to circumvent our constitution in this manor?" the ambassador grumbles. "Crime in my country, or how we police it is none of your concern. Ban guns in your country if you want, but leave ours alone."

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The American-Rhodesian Coalition
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Founded: Feb 14, 2019
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Postby The American-Rhodesian Coalition » Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:38 pm

This resolution is absolutely ludicrous. This will do absolutely nothing to reduce crime because only law abiding citizens obey laws. Criminals don't obey laws.

The right to bear arms and the right to defend yourself and your livelihood is as much a God-given right as freedom of speech or freedom of religion. A proposal like this would simply be the beginning of the unraveling of democracy into totalitarianism. And the people will be powerless to stop it.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:56 pm

"Marginal deterrence doesn't exist" /s

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