[Discussion] WALL

[Falcania]

My understanding of the World Assembly is that it is a roleplaying forum for an international organization like the EU or UN, nominally composed of "ambassadors" or "diplomats" representing the many and varied NationStates, working to construct a framework of laws and committees around the general chaos of the NS universe, as well as settle disputes among member states.

The complaints I have been reading about how the WA functions, practically, are precisely the standard and accepted manner in which intergovernmental bodies function in the real world.

In other words, these are features, not bugs.

I can't help but notice that some of the nations complaining the loudest are younger than even my brief tenure on this website observing the goings-on in the WA -- and I wouldn't presume to have a full grasp on the protocols and practices.

A novice ambassador would not walk into the assembly hall of the UN and start upturning tables and tossing about accusations of corruption if his initial attempts are thwarted by the practices of more seasoned members. Bodies like this are all about experience and networking, getting to know the etiquette and "grammar," and how to get things done. Coalition-building is the norm. This only adds to the realism of the roleplay going on here.

"Elitism" is often just a skewed way of looking at expertise.

I think there's a meaningful consideration here; to what extent is the World Assembly a game, or a simulator? I suspect everyone has their own answer to that question.

[Wrapper]

In my mind this should put to rest any arguments about a WALL conspiracy:

1/19/2019, 1:16:06 AM EST: Pallaith voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Debtor Voting Rights"".

[Danlina]

^^^ ^^^
I honestly didn't think this would be hard to understand (Seriously if you don't want to politic, why are you playing the politicking part of the game). Many real world nations essentially have this coalition practice codified, forming into parties, which then (in multi-party states) go on to have coalitions of their own (Not to mention internal struggles form internal coalitions which but heads for control of the party as a whole). WALL, from all their accounts, and any actual proof that can be brought up, aren't even a coalition in this sense anyway though. If they were, then they are not too great at it. If you think they do swing votes, form your own coalition! It really isn't that big of a deal apparently, unfortunately because you became a course grain of salt in the boots of many WA members you may have turned this into a rather uphill battle for yourself.

I started around mid-year (actually slightly later than that) last year. I still would not say I am seasoned enough to attempt to criticize the pre-existing culture of the WA.

You're right, from what I understood from this conversation, the people who complain about the WALL are just complaining about them having an unfair advantage at the WA because they have a group. Seriously, if you think someone has an advantage from being in a group, maybe just learn the lesson and form your own?

[Jebslund]

My understanding of the World Assembly is that it is a roleplaying forum for an international organization like the EU or UN, nominally composed of "ambassadors" or "diplomats" representing the many and varied NationStates, working to construct a framework of laws and committees around the general chaos of the NS universe, as well as settle disputes among member states.

The complaints I have been reading about how the WA functions, practically, are precisely the standard and accepted manner in which intergovernmental bodies function in the real world.

In other words, these are features, not bugs.

I can't help but notice that some of the nations complaining the loudest are younger than even my brief tenure on this website observing the goings-on in the WA -- and I wouldn't presume to have a full grasp on the protocols and practices.

A novice ambassador would not walk into the assembly hall of the UN and start upturning tables and tossing about accusations of corruption if his initial attempts are thwarted by the practices of more seasoned members. Bodies like this are all about experience and networking, getting to know the etiquette and "grammar," and how to get things done. Coalition-building is the norm. This only adds to the realism of the roleplay going on here.

"Elitism" is often just a skewed way of looking at expertise.

Precisely. It's like a noob in any MMO complaining about established guilds having all the fancy stuff and drawing all the good players. The answer here isn't to restrict forming coalitions. The answer here is, as much as I despise this as a retort to people complaining, "get good". Form your own coalitions and networks if you're so hung up on WALL having a lot of people. Ally with smaller groups to form a Wishiwashi effect: A school of small fish gaining power by forming a unit to overcome together what the individual components would be unable to alone.

[Hamstan]

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

[Arasi Luvasa]

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

With those who agree with you. Aside from that, there is the networking and making friends part too. It is not the fault of everyone else that you burned bridges or otherwise antagonized others.

[Aexnidaral]

In my mind this should put to rest any arguments about a WALL conspiracy:

1/19/2019, 1:16:06 AM EST: Pallaith voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Debtor Voting Rights"".

Got em

[Lord Dominator]

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

WALL wasn't made on the forums, at least to my knowledge

[Separatist Peoples]

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

Be less laughable, I assume. Learning how the forum works is a good first step.

[Jebslund]

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

To quote a new favorite anime of mine:
Yare yare...

Grumbling aside, same way they did: Find like-minded people, or, at the very least, people willing to put aside differences some of the time to vote with you, recruit the shit out of your coalition, and not sit in GA and whine obnoxiously about conspiracies and your voice not being heard just because there were more voices saying the opposite of what you wanted. In short, stop trotting your persecution complex for everyone to see and

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

With those who agree with you. Aside from that, there is the networking and making friends part too. It is not the fault of everyone else that you burned bridges or otherwise antagonized others.

[Wallenburg]

How are we supposed to form our own coalitions when we get laughed out of the forum.

By building "coalitions" that don't revolve around laughable assertions? WALL isn't some tyrannical, WA Illuminati. It's an interregional organization promoting WA activity and sometimes coordinating WA votes.

[Battlion]

In my mind this should put to rest any arguments about a WALL conspiracy:

1/19/2019, 1:16:06 AM EST: Pallaith voted for the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Debtor Voting Rights"".

They’ve voted against now - omg the conspiracy