[PASSED] Defending Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities

[Maowi]

“On a few minor points, there should be a full stop after definition clause B as there is one in definition A, also I believe it looks more aesthetically pleasing if there is a comma after the ‘Hereby’.”

"Well, if it pleases you..."

[Vichy Rich]

Good idea, one change ban on the very idea of LGBTQ members.

[Separatist Peoples]

Good idea, one change ban on the very idea of LGBTQ members.

"Yeah, that's feedback that the author will accept."

[Maowi]

Good idea, one change ban on the very idea of LGBTQ members.

Thank you very much for that enlightening and constructive feedback, but I don't think that would really work with the whole idea

[Tosler]

Thank you for your leadership on this issue and this excellent proposal. It's important that the WA pass a resolution that explicitly codifies the rights of all sexual orientations and gender identities/expressions. Perhaps I could suggest that the resolution also include the term "gender identity and expression," in order to capture all Trans and non-binary individuals, and therefore work to support the entirety of the LGBTQ+ community.

I also think that it could be helpful to include a be it further resolved clause with wording such as: "that all member states work with their respective LGBTQ+ communities to develop policies that seek the elimination of homophobia and transphobia, in an effort to increase inclusiveness and equality for persons of all sexual orientations and gender identities or expressions."

Happy to talk more. Feel free to telegram me if you'd like to work on this further. Happy to offer suggestions here as well.

Best,

Tosler

[Elyreia]

Elyreia will vote in favor of such resolution. We believe in the equality of all of our citizens and civilians alike.

[Vichy Rich]

Good idea, one change ban on the very idea of LGBTQ members.

Thank you very much for that enlightening and constructive feedback, but I don't think that would really work with the whole idea

I don't mean to sound rude, even though that's how it may have come off as, although the Federal Republic of Vichy Rich expresses their large concern and discontent with such bill as in our nation the letters L G and B shall not be uttered together nor permitted in our nation as it is seen as a mental illness to be Lesbian, Gay or Bi-sexual

(OOC: I don't actually think that, just the nation in RPing)

[Maowi]

Thank you for your leadership on this issue and this excellent proposal. It's important that the WA pass a resolution that explicitly codifies the rights of all sexual orientations and gender identities/expressions. Perhaps I could suggest that the resolution also include the term "gender identity and expression," in order to capture all Trans and non-binary individuals, and therefore work to support the entirety of the LGBTQ+ community.

I also think that it could be helpful to include a be it further resolved clause with wording such as: "that all member states work with their respective LGBTQ+ communities to develop policies that seek the elimination of homophobia and transphobia, in an effort to increase inclusiveness and equality for persons of all sexual orientations and gender identities or expressions."

Happy to talk more. Feel free to telegram me if you'd like to work on this further. Happy to offer suggestions here as well.

Best,

Tosler

Thanks for the feedback, I will think about how to implement your ideas when I next get time.

(OOC: I don't actually think that, just the nation in RPing)

Thank goodness.

[Araraukar]

I also think that it could be helpful to include a be it further resolved clause with wording such as: "that all member states work with their respective LGBTQ+ communities to develop policies that seek the elimination of homophobia and transphobia, in an effort to increase inclusiveness and equality for persons of all sexual orientations and gender identities or expressions."

Thanks for the feedback, I will think about how to implement your ideas when I next get time.

OOC: No, don't. There's a kneejerk reaction from certain voter blocks against "LGBT"-whatever additional letters. That's exactly why I suggested the wording "any other sexuality or gender" as that catches all of them, without using the shorthand nightmare. And Tosler, just so you know, I'm a gay transman, so it's not like we don't advocate for the same cause.

And also, what Tosler suggested fits a manifest/blog better than actual resolution text.

[Maowi]

OOC: No, don't. There's a kneejerk reaction from certain voter blocks against "LGBT"-whatever additional letters. That's exactly why I suggested the wording "any other sexuality or gender" as that catches all of them, without using the shorthand nightmare. And Tosler, just so you know, I'm a gay transman, so it's not like we don't advocate for the same cause. :P

And also, what Tosler suggested fits a manifest/blog better than actual resolution text.

I wasn't intending to use the acronym LGBTetc., as you say "any other sexuality or gender" fits that (even if you're non-gender binary you would still consider yourself a gender, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong). But that wouldn't rule out a clause encouraging member nations to promote respect of sexual and gender minorities. Any more opinions on whether or not it would be a good idea to include such a clause?

And also, do you think it's necessary to include a 'for the purposes of this resolution' definition of gender? I didn't think it was, but please give your opinions, thanks :)

[Vichy Rich]

OOC: No, don't. There's a kneejerk reaction from certain voter blocks against "LGBT"-whatever additional letters. That's exactly why I suggested the wording "any other sexuality or gender" as that catches all of them, without using the shorthand nightmare. And Tosler, just so you know, I'm a gay transman, so it's not like we don't advocate for the same cause.

And also, what Tosler suggested fits a manifest/blog better than actual resolution text.

I wasn't intending to use the acronym LGBTetc., as you say "any other sexuality or gender" fits that (even if you're non-gender binary you would still consider yourself a gender, right? Please correct me if I'm wrong). But that wouldn't rule out a clause encouraging member nations to promote respect of sexual and gender minorities. Any more opinions on whether or not it would be a good idea to include such a clause?

And also, do you think it's necessary to include a 'for the purposes of this resolution' definition of gender? I didn't think it was, but please give your opinions, thanks

Non-Binary means they identify as something other than male or female

[Maowi]

Non-Binary means they identify as something other than male or female

Indeed

To put it bluntly: so?

[Elyreia]

Non-Binary means they identify as something other than male or female

I believe hermaphroditic persons would also qualify as non-binary, and they are naturally born in such a way. I believe you will find that actual gender studies show that genders fall into two bell-curves, rather than two bar graphs.

[Tinfect]

I believe hermaphroditic persons would also qualify as non-binary, and they are naturally born in such a way. I believe you will find that actual gender studies show that genders fall into two bell-curves, rather than two bar graphs.

OOC:
Whether or not someone is intersex has no bearing on gender identity.

[Maowi]

I've come up with a possible definition of gender which I could use for this proposal:

"DEFINES, for the purposes of this resolution, "gender" as an individual's self-identification under any of the following roles: male (transgender or cisgender), female (transgender or cisgender), bigender, agender, demigender, gender fluid and any other role considered gender queer."

My problem with this is that many of the terms under it don't have a meaning which everyone has a consensus on and may even require another definition to clarify them. Any opinions? Would it be better to leave it out entirely?

Also, I am considering adding a clause which orders member nations to allow their citizens to identify as any gender, do you think this is a good idea?

[Vichy Rich]

I've come up with a possible definition of gender which I could use for this proposal:

"DEFINES, for the purposes of this resolution, "gender" as an individual's self-identification under any of the following roles: male (transgender or cisgender), female (transgender or cisgender), bigender, agender, demigender, gender fluid and any other role considered gender queer."

My problem with this is that many of the terms under it don't have a meaning which everyone has a consensus on and may even require another definition to clarify them. Any opinions? Would it be better to leave it out entirely?

Also, I am considering adding a clause which orders member nations to allow their citizens to identify as any gender, do you think this is a good idea?

OOC; I think that last addition would be a good idea personally, but refer to my nations opinion after, Also ill look over it and see if i myself recommend anything

"Allow our human recsour... I mean citizens the ability to choose their gender! Preposterous gender is decided at birth by our medical professionals are you implying they are incorrect on identifying such living being that they have trained their whole lives for!"

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Given the existence of GAR #91 I'm not sure you need to do any defining. Just include gender and gender identity among the proposal's protected characteristics. Since nations are already obligated to treat gender non-conforming people equally with conformers, a pretty good gender breakdown is already enshrined in national laws.

I could be wrong, but that's my sense.

"Allow our human recsour... I mean citizens the ability to choose their gender! Preposterous gender is decided at birth by our medical professionals are you implying they are incorrect on identifying such living being that they have trained their whole lives for!"

As usual,

[Kenmoria]

I've come up with a possible definition of gender which I could use for this proposal:

"DEFINES, for the purposes of this resolution, "gender" as an individual's self-identification under any of the following roles: male (transgender or cisgender), female (transgender or cisgender), bigender, agender, demigender, gender fluid and any other role considered gender queer."

My problem with this is that many of the terms under it don't have a meaning which everyone has a consensus on and may even require another definition to clarify them. Any opinions? Would it be better to leave it out entirely?

Also, I am considering adding a clause which orders member nations to allow their citizens to identify as any gender, do you think this is a good idea?

“I believe that gender is such a complex and individual experience that any attempt to define it is worthless, as there will always be a gender identity unjustly excluded or something unjustly included. Due to this, I recommend just leaving out a definition of gender.

On the clause that orders member states to allow their citizens to identify as any gender, I think this would be a good idea to include. Although GA #91 allows full recognition for intergender and transgender persons, it does not cover the genders that either fall outside the male-female spectrum or have possibilities beyond a simple spectrum entirely.”

[Maowi]

OOC: Given the existence of GAR #91 I'm not sure you need to do any defining. Just include gender and gender identity among the proposal's protected characteristics. Since nations are already obligated to treat gender non-conforming people equally with conformers, a pretty good gender breakdown is already enshrined in national laws.

I could be wrong, but that's my sense.

Ok thanks, that sounds reasonable.

“I believe that gender is such a complex and individual experience that any attempt to define it is worthless, as there will always be a gender identity unjustly excluded or something unjustly included. Due to this, I recommend just leaving out a definition of gender.

On the clause that orders member states to allow their citizens to identify as any gender, I think this would be a good idea to include. Although GA #91 allows full recognition for intergender and transgender persons, it does not cover the genders that either fall outside the male-female spectrum or have possibilities beyond a simple spectrum entirely.”

So I won't include a definition of gender, and I'll try and come up with a well phrased clause on that.

[Maowi]

I've updated to the new draft.

Just include gender and gender identity among the proposal's protected characteristics.

I put in gender identity as well, and it sounds a bit unwieldy, but I think it should still be in there.
I think the clause on allowing choice of gender identity works, right? Or does anyone think it's worded really badly or something?

[WA Kitty Kops]

I've come up with a possible definition of gender which I could use for this proposal:

OOC: Don't. You'll just confuse everyone and make this harder to pass. "Any gender or sexuality" catches everyone and everything, there's no need to make it any more difficult than that.

In case you don't look at forum siggies, this is Araraukar on a kitten puppet.

[Maowi]

I've come up with a possible definition of gender which I could use for this proposal:

OOC: Don't. You'll just confuse everyone and make this harder to pass. "Any gender or sexuality" catches everyone and everything, there's no need to make it any more difficult than that.

In case you don't look at forum siggies, this is Araraukar on a kitten puppet.

Hi
So do you think I don't need to have gender identity in there as well?

[Araraukar]

So do you think I don't need to have gender identity in there as well?

OOC: All you really need is "any gender or sexuality" on the clauses that give people rights. It doesn't matter what you identify as, you're still covered.

[Maowi]

So do you think I don't need to have gender identity in there as well?

OOC: All you really need is "any gender or sexuality" on the clauses that give people rights. It doesn't matter what you identify as, you're still covered.

I have tweaked the draft a bit to make it as un-laboured as I can, and I think it's pretty much ready to be submitted soon, so if anyone has any suggestions or objections it would be really great if you posted your ideas and opinions to help make it as good as possible, thanks

[Maowi]

Submitted.