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White Bluff
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby White Bluff » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:25 pm

This just passed and there are already 7 repeals up, only 2 are still legal, but they have not been looked at to see if they remain such.

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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Maowi » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:29 pm

And of the 2 legal ones, one is in Spanish and the other is illegal for branding.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby White Bluff » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:35 pm

Maowi wrote:And of the 2 legal ones, one is in Spanish and the other is illegal for branding.

Yeah, it's honestly pathetic how many are against diversity and equality.

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Ex-Nation

Postby Jakker » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:38 pm

Genovian Empire wrote:The Free Land of Maowi Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense


Genovian Empire wrote:I do not believe that nations should be forced to accept this legislation with so many disorders. "Changing genders, all genders" really, there are only two genders in this world and only one type of marriage between a man and a woman. "civil unions" and homosexuals are intrinsically disordered.


You can disagree with a proposal and even not have beliefs against homosexuality/transsexuality. However, referring to either has a mental illness or a disorder is trolling. Unofficial warning for Trolling. Don't let it happen again.
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Arasi Luvasa
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Ex-Nation

Postby Arasi Luvasa » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:09 pm

Genovian Empire wrote:The Free Land of Maowi Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense


Factually false, there are a number of cultures which hold third genders. The Hijaras is the only one that comes to mind, though I have heard that there are others.
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Elyreia
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Postby Elyreia » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:59 pm

Arasi Luvasa wrote:
Genovian Empire wrote:The Free Land of Maowi Changing genders doesn't make sense, who even comes up with this stuff. Male and Female that is it, anything else is a mental illness and must be checked out. Common Sense


Factually false, there are a number of cultures which hold third genders. The Hijaras is the only one that comes to mind, though I have heard that there are others.


Samoan Fa'afafine, Indonesian Waria, Zapotec Muxe, ancient Isreal used to have 6 genders (including one for barren women exclusively).
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:44 am

Elyreia wrote:
Arasi Luvasa wrote:
Factually false, there are a number of cultures which hold third genders. The Hijaras is the only one that comes to mind, though I have heard that there are others.


Samoan Fa'afafine, Indonesian Waria, Zapotec Muxe, ancient Isreal used to have 6 genders (including one for barren women exclusively).


While it is rather hard given the lack of written language and obvious bias of the settlers who recorded their history, evidence suggests that several Native American cultures had a concept of more than two genders.
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Akirya
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Ex-Nation

Postby Akirya » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:36 am

Akirya will not implement it even after it passed. Since most countries who have accepted it are leftist with poor economy and relatively weak millitary, we dont think any economic embargos will be felt in any significant way, and we dont believe there is any way to force us to accept it.

We continue the recognition of only male and female.

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Postby Battlion » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:40 am

Akirya wrote:Akirya will not implement it even after it passed. Since most countries who have accepted it are leftist with poor economy and relatively weak millitary, we dont think any economic embargos will be felt in any significant way, and we dont believe there is any way to force us to accept it.

We continue the recognition of only male and female.


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:43 am

Akirya wrote:Akirya will not implement it even after it passed. Since most countries who have accepted it are leftist with poor economy and relatively weak millitary, we dont think any economic embargos will be felt in any significant way, and we dont believe there is any way to force us to accept it.

We continue the recognition of only male and female.

*checks Frightening economy and huge military.* Yo.

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:00 am

Yes, my CHRISTIAN THEOCRATIC nation is clearly leftist. Also, not everyone role-plays using the stats. My nation, for example, has a far better economy selling dragon scales and dragon scale derived products which are highly sought after by some nations (being lightweight and very durable). Other nations may have weaker economies than what is shown.

Also male and female are sex, so what happens to intersex then?
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Postby Falcania » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:49 am

Akirya wrote:Akirya will not implement it even after it passed. Since most countries who have accepted it are leftist with poor economy and relatively weak millitary, we dont think any economic embargos will be felt in any significant way, and we dont believe there is any way to force us to accept it.

We continue the recognition of only male and female.


You are mistaken.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vichy Rich » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:30 am

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:50 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Akirya wrote:Akirya will not implement it even after it passed. Since most countries who have accepted it are leftist with poor economy and relatively weak millitary, we dont think any economic embargos will be felt in any significant way, and we dont believe there is any way to force us to accept it.

We continue the recognition of only male and female.

*checks Frightening economy and huge military.* Yo.

Hmm....

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Postby Blueflarst » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:01 pm

This already passed resolution is bullying againist the conservative estates religious or atheist.
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Postby Falcania » Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:02 pm

oh great this guy's back
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Postby Blueflarst » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:56 pm

Arasi luvasa is using his freedom of speech if he considers mental illness changing genders must be allowed to say it.

Also i will not affirm my opinion on them cause this political sided moderator team would use it to ban me
I already left world assembly this is all the reference you need to know my opinion and also my shock after seeing it aproved.
In fact the resolution breaks the national policies and cracks roleplay in this game and the gen secr
allowed it for political symphaty says a lot about the manipulation inside world assembly
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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:02 pm

Uh what?

Arasi luvasa is using his freedom of speech if he considers mental illness changing genders must be allowed to say it


I haven't said anything of the sort, also Arasi Luvasa is my nation, stating OOC that it is a mental illness might be against the rules anyway (I certainly would consider calling someone else mentally ill flaming). Aside from that, I have been for this proposal both IC and OOC.
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Postby Falcania » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:18 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Arasi luvasa is using his freedom of speech if he considers mental illness changing genders must be allowed to say it.

Also i will not affirm my opinion on them cause this political sided moderator team would use it to ban me
I already left world assembly this is all the reference you need to know my opinion and also my shock after seeing it aproved.
In fact the resolution breaks the national policies and cracks roleplay in this game and the gen secr
allowed it for political symphaty says a lot about the manipulation inside world assembly


Hate speech isn't freedom of speech. Toodles.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:25 pm

Blueflarst wrote:Arasi luvasa is using his freedom of speech if he considers mental illness changing genders must be allowed to say it.

Also i will not affirm my opinion on them cause this political sided moderator team would use it to ban me
I already left world assembly this is all the reference you need to know my opinion and also my shock after seeing it aproved.
In fact the resolution breaks the national policies and cracks roleplay in this game and the gen secr
allowed it for political symphaty says a lot about the manipulation inside world assembly

Ooc: this is adorable.

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Postby Elyreia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:51 pm

Falcania wrote:
Blueflarst wrote:Arasi luvasa is using his freedom of speech if he considers mental illness changing genders must be allowed to say it.


OOC: If you mean this in an OOC manner, I'll be happy to remind you that "freedom of speech" applies to government entities, not private ones. The moderators have full rights to squash speech in any way they want with extreme prejudice. If you mean this ICly...

IC: So long as the delegate is willing to deal with the consequence of their "free speech", then I will gladly invite them to a "debate" off-grounds of this chamber.
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Arasi Luvasa
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Ex-Nation

Postby Arasi Luvasa » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:48 pm

Elyreia wrote:
Falcania wrote:


OOC: If you mean this in an OOC manner, I'll be happy to remind you that "freedom of speech" applies to government entities, not private ones. The moderators have full rights to squash speech in any way they want with extreme prejudice. If you mean this ICly...

IC: So long as the delegate is willing to deal with the consequence of their "free speech", then I will gladly invite them to a "debate" off-grounds of this chamber.


"Excuse me? don't lump me in with the can't change genders argument. I have better things to do than argue against well-established definitions just because I can. The fools mixing up gender and sex are not part of my faction."
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Elyreia
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Postby Elyreia » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:12 pm

Akirya wrote:Akirya will not implement it even after it passed. Since most countries who have accepted it are leftist with poor economy and relatively weak millitary, we dont think any economic embargos will be felt in any significant way, and we dont believe there is any way to force us to accept it.

We continue the recognition of only male and female.


Our military is three times your size: https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ely ... ensusid=46

If you want to dance, we can head outside and "debate" further. Otherwise, I wouldn't threaten using your military to prevent compliance, since one nation alone seems more than capable of meeting that challenge.
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Postby Blueflarst » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:34 pm

I mistake Genovian empire with arasi
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Blueflarst seek the physical, psychical and spiritual evolution.
“The care of nature and the environment is of ultimate importance. We cannot prosper we cannot even survive without a healthy, viable ecosystem to support us.”
“Violence is not an unnatural thing. It is the normal state of being.”
“Our game is a long game. We do not plan for the next year, or the next ten years, or the next budget cycle. We plan for eternity.”
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Postby Wrapper » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:32 pm

I think we're done here. Locking this before people start getting into trouble.

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