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Postby Groot Brittanie » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:54 pm

Voting against this resolution is not homophobic, transphobic etc. It’s simply giving the nation and their relevant religious bodies to make their own decisions. This resolution forces beliefs on all member states and should be voted against to protect the freedom of individual member states.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:55 pm

This trope on these forums, apparently shared by a great many number of edge-lords, of saying the equivalent of we can roleplay our way out of your resolution by fundamentally restructuring our forms of government and societal institutions is stupid and massively unrealistic.

And about the above: By what mechanism are states, non-person entities, endowed with rights?

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Postby Juventium » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:19 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Good idea, bad execution, what this draft really needs is a ban on Heterosexual marriage.

bruh

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Postby Tinfect » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:31 pm

Juventium wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Good idea, bad execution, what this draft really needs is a ban on Heterosexual marriage.

bruh


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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:38 pm

My nation would definitely be forced to resign from the WA if hetrosexual marriages were banned. Extramarital sex is illegal, so having a child who is not adopted would be evidence of a crime (along with being pregnant for that matter).
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:48 pm

Arasi Luvasa wrote:Extramarital sex is illegal

OOC: https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:55 pm

Ok, I'll hae to rp my ambassador coming across that resolution at some point. Either that or figure out a way to essentially ban said practice by other means.
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Postby The Cansa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:56 pm

I have signed, since I agree with it. However, there are a couple flaws and I think that amendments are necessary.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:04 pm

Arasi Luvasa wrote:Ok, I'll hae to rp my ambassador coming across that resolution at some point. Either that or figure out a way to essentially ban said practice by other means.

OOC: Or just comply.

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:11 pm

I would, but finding a way to still iillegalise extramarital sex would make more sense IC for my nation.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:59 pm

Arasi Luvasa wrote:I would, but finding a way to still iillegalise extramarital sex would make more sense IC for my nation.

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Postby Reichsstaaten von Germania » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:19 pm

"To the interest of preservation of tradition and customs as well as appeasement for the church, I cannot permit homosexual marriage in my nation no matter what, the only way I can see them being married is in governmental name ONLY and not in a church of god"


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Postby Wrapper » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:17 pm

defending the rights of sexual and gender minorities was passed 8,777 votes to 7,400.

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Postby MeMeIsT » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:19 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Good idea, bad execution, what this draft really needs is a ban on Heterosexual marriage.

Heh.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:23 pm

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Postby Macsenoedd » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:32 am

Maowi wrote:I mean I don't really know and frankly don't have the time to search through the GA proposals to see whether you are allowed to buy religious buildings whether the owner likes it or not, and anyway atheists don't need temples to worship in.
I Mean, I Can Just Offer Exorbitant Amounts Of Money That Actually Have Almost No Value Due To Inflation, So They Give It To Me! Also There Are Almost No Atheists In My Country, So That's Not A Proplem.

Maowi wrote:If you allow civil marriage between say a man and a woman, you have to allow it between any two people. If the only type of marriage you currently allow is religious, then you don't have to allow religious marriages for other people.
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Postby Macsenoedd » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:50 am

Araraukar wrote:
Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar wrote:Make gender change totally legal, just make the process to get a permit to have one approved take 90 years of processing. Problem solved.

OOC: You and others seem incapable of understanding that gender/sex change already is "totally legal", has been for years, due to GA #91. There's no "permit" needed, either. But you in particular are starting to lose all credibility on this forum. Outside of the GA forum you can RP whatever way, you can ignore the whole of WA even existing (as many do), but keep the noncompliant RP out of this forum, please.

OOC: Please Link To GA #91, I Hope We Are Not In Violation Of It By Only Having 1 Recognised Gender, Thus Making It Impossible To Change One's Gender To Anything Other Than What It Already Is.

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Postby Macsenoedd » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:08 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Arasi Luvasa wrote:I would, but finding a way to still iillegalise extramarital sex would make more sense IC for my nation.

https://youtu.be/rOXaPE6gklI?t=71

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:52 am

Macsenoedd wrote:OOC: Please Link To GA #91, I Hope We Are Not In Violation Of It By Only Having 1 Recognised Gender, Thus Making It Impossible To Change One's Gender To Anything Other Than What It Already Is.

OOC: The passed resolutions list is here, just scroll down to find the link: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30

Don't post on that thread.

And, again, "changing gender" is not how it works. The only change is made to the paperwork concerning one's gender.
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Postby Aestorn » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:49 am

Tinfect wrote:
Juventium wrote:bruh


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Postby Falcania » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:58 am

Aestorn wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
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I am 100% serious not-kidding sincere. In no remote way can this be construed as a joke as, plainly, it is not.

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Postby Macsenoedd » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:48 am

Araraukar wrote:And, again, "changing gender" is not how it works. The only change is made to the paperwork concerning one's gender.

Either Way There'd Be Nothing Changed As We Only Have One State-Recognised Gender.

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Postby Mockia » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:30 am

Wrapper wrote:
defending the rights of sexual and gender minorities was passed 8,777 votes to 7,400.

We have banned marriage and forced people to pay a tax for changing their gender, so we don't have to follow this law. U mad?
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:45 am

Mockia wrote:
Wrapper wrote:
defending the rights of sexual and gender minorities was passed 8,777 votes to 7,400.

We have banned marriage and forced people to pay a tax for changing their gender, so we don't have to follow this law. U mad?

(OOC: From what I can gather, both of those things are perfectly within the legal limits of this resolution. Banning marriage is still equal treatment, and a tax probably could still fall under acceptance of gender change.)
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:08 pm

Mockia wrote:
Wrapper wrote:
defending the rights of sexual and gender minorities was passed 8,777 votes to 7,400.

We have banned marriage and forced people to pay a tax for changing their gender, so we don't have to follow this law. U mad?

I mean, if you hate gay and trans people so much that you will get rid of core social elements wholesale, then I guess I'm not really mad as much as I am confused.
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