[PASSED] Repeal GA #454 Debtor Voting Rights

[Bears Armed]

Oops!
Yes, you should.

Okay, I did. Now I have to bite the bullet and spend more money.

Legal, and marked by me as such.

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

Okay, I did. Now I have to bite the bullet and spend more money.

Legal, and marked by me as such.

Thank you, my friend. I was praying to God.

[Firelia]

"As a member of the WA, Firelia will participate on the repeal of this resolution by giving it's point of view through me, the Foreign Minister, about what we have localized as 'problems' in this resolution:

1. The resolution makes an exception between all the crimes commited due to the need of money.

2. The exception raised by this resolution is difficult to apply because of the concreteness of it and the protests or possible riots caused in the jails because of this differentiation and categorization as exception of one type of criminals imprisoned for the need of money.

3. The titanic work that is requested to the smaller countries with higher crime rate to comply with this exception, which will be at risk of falling into chaos by a massive riot."

[Imperium Anglorum]

[United Republic Empire]

Oops!
Yes, you should.

Okay, I did. Now I have to bite the bullet and spend more money.

It might be easier to hold off on spending rupees. Submitting it once we're 100% sure all informalities and problems are sorted out would greatly benefit getting the proposal on the legal side and to the voting stage. Not saying you have to, just a tad bit of advice.

[Hamstan]

Agree 100%. Fuck IA.

[Tinfect]

Okay, I did. Now I have to bite the bullet and spend more money.

OOC:
Hold up now, I might be able to save you some bucks. Imperium Anglorum's Communique can handle TG campaigns nicely, if you've got a bit of time.

[Ransium]

Agree 100%. Fuck IA.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Hamstan]

Agree 100%. Fuck IA.

*** Warned for flaming ***

sorry man, i'm just real pissed at them right now.

[Battlion]

Okay, I did. Now I have to bite the bullet and spend more money.

OOC:
Hold up now, I might be able to save you some bucks. Imperium Anglorum's Communique can handle TG campaigns nicely, if you've got a bit of time.

OOC: That’s horrifically ironic

[The Traansval]

I definately support this, WA proposals need effort put into them, and not just be a single sentence.

[Borovan3]

Against

[Hiram Land]

Against

Why?

[Borovan3]

I expect repeals to be longer and stronger in its evaluation and arguments. The target resolution will be addressed with a an already proposed draft by IA to stop harsh debt imprisonment

[Battlion]

I expect repeals to be longer and stronger in its evaluation and arguments. The target resolution will be addressed with a an already proposed draft by IA to stop harsh debt imprisonment

“Repeals to be longer” on a resolution that’s a single line?

[Arasi Luvasa]

I expect repeals to be longer and stronger in its evaluation and arguments. The target resolution will be addressed with a an already proposed draft by IA to stop harsh debt imprisonment

“Repeals to be longer” on a resolution that’s a single line?

Repeals need to argue why a resolution should be removed, a Resolution just needs to give an instruction (though they often argue for it as well, this is not necessary"

[Battlion]

Completely support this repeal, such a serious topic needs a much more lengthy resolution.

[Riversedge]

Agreed. Debtor Voting Rights has far far far too many loopholes, and while I do support the sentiment, it must be repealed until such time as a more complete act can be put into place.

[Zeritae]

My opinion on this is that if it successfully repeals "GA #454 Debtor Voting Rights", it would cause a void in the whims of democracy/diplomacy, which may result in oppression of those in debt

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

Oh yeah! I forgot!

This is now at vote!

[Battlion]

My opinion on this is that if it successfully repeals "GA #454 Debtor Voting Rights", it would cause a void in the whims of democracy/diplomacy, which may result in oppression of those in debt

I didn’t realise it’s a systemic problem, because it isn’t.

[Arasi Luvasa]

"Against, the 'problems' with the resolution can be fixed simply by implementing new legislation for what is honestly separate issues. They could be combined, yes, but separating them is equally as valid. Honestly it would have been better to implement these two sets of legislation in another order, so as to avoid people crying loophole, but if it does not block legislation that can adapt create further protections then I fail to see the purpose of removing what protections there are. Besides I don't believe you view what the resolution aims to do as the problem, only it's brevity. You don't have a replacement resolution prepared do you, so while that is drafted and ratified you would rather just have the indebted continue on as disenfranchised because you object to simple, straight-forward and concise legislation?" The ambassador shakes her head then takes a few sips from her glass of chilled grape juice.

"Perhaps I should address the repeal more specifically. Izzy would you be a dear and project my response."

Izzy, the only android within the Arasi Luvasan ambassadorial squad stepped forth. A few click could be faintly heard coming from his eyes before a holographic projection was displayed before the ambassadors of the WA. The image was that of the repeal at hand, various lines added to it in the red writing of archbishop Ariella Mirase addressing the issues with attempting at a repeal.

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging the efforts of GA Resolution #454 to prevent debts from inhibiting a citizen's right to vote,

Understanding though brevity is important in many cases, the extreme it was brought to in this resolution was counter productive,

Seeing numerous loopholes in the resolutions that more cruel states could employ, such as, but not limited to:

Criminalizing outstanding debt under specific conditions to imprison the individual for the duration of the voting,_{Honestly this seems a separate issue that can (and is) being legislated upon elsewhere. If this is the problem, it would be better to write a resolution regarding the incarceration of debt.}

Making outstanding debt punishable by law through a choice of forfeiture of voting rights or imprisonment,

Passing legislation revoking the citizenship of a citizen, and thus their right to vote if they are indebted,N.B. _{note for resolution to be drafted:}
Once again legislation clearly defining citizenship, it's rights, it's duties and how easily a nation-state can revoke said status would better address this issue.

Understanding that the rights of those living in autocratic nations in regards to their political rights are not addressed,_{You seem to be confusing the terms citizen and subject, legal inhabitants of an autocratic nation are what would more appropriately be called subjects and thus they have privileges and not rights. Somewhat of a distinction}

Noticing the resolution does not specify on what debtors can not be stripped of the right to vote on,_{In which case it is safe to assume that this is binding to all things they would have been able to vote on should they not have been a debtor. Same reasoning applies to why the imprisonment "loophole" you mentioned is applied. If there is a reason for disenfranchisement aside from debt, then disenfranchising the individual on said basis is perfectly valid.}

Seeing that such a loosely worded clause is open to exploitation,_{The same has been said of COCR by resolutions currently in drafting, those penning said resolutions are not attempting to repeal COCR because it doesn't carefully enough address said points. Instead those penning said resolutions are writing legislation to build atop the protections outlined in COCR.}

Believing the World Assembly Delegation of the nation which passed the legislation could write a more conclusive piece of legislation for this issue, _{I see no reason that these separate issues need be addressed by a single resolution. Instead it merely points out where there are other holes in the protections that the WA affords it's member-states citizens and/or subjects against their home nation.}

Hoping that member nations will create thoughtful and articulate legislation with regards to unforeseen consequences and in consideration to the variety of member states' cultural normalities on this issue,

Wishing that in the period the legislation is active its loopholes will not be exploited at the expense of the citizenry of nations across the multiverse,_{So your solution is instead to deprive them of enfranchisement during the interrum you have created. Nevermind that the other issues you bring up still can be wrought upon the indebted anyway. This seems very poorly thought out on what it believes of debtors and what their rights should be. If it believes debtors should have voting rights, then this repeal simply is throwing it's own ideals under the bus. Otherwise the repeal is merely veiled attempt to maintain the status quo of the ability to disenfranchise the indebted. <This may just be snarky, consider it for removal Mr Motlante.
When a resolution actively prevents further legislation which addresses it's flaws or has become redundant (due to further legislation covering all prohibitions stated within the legislation), then and only then is it worthwhile to repeal legislation that is doing good (or you think would do good with further protections). Still I do respect that you actually took the time to write up a well written repeal, I pray God bless you in your future endevours.}

Hereby repeals GA Resolution #454.

"Mr Motlante, I thought I told you to type and edit that critique. Not merely pass it on through to Izzy without refinement." The ambassador scolded as she scowled at one of the older members of her group of assistants.

The General Assembly,

Acknowledging the efforts of GA Resolution #454 to prevent debts from inhibiting a citizen's right to vote,

Understanding though brevity is important in many cases, the extreme it was brought to in this resolution was counter productive,

Seeing numerous loopholes in the resolutions that more cruel states could employ, such as, but not limited to:

Criminalizing outstanding debt under specific conditions to imprison the individual for the duration of the voting,

Honestly this seems a separate issue that can (and is) being legislated upon elsewhere. If this is the problem, it would be better to write a resolution regarding the incarceration of debt.

Making outstanding debt punishable by law through a choice of forfeiture of voting rights or imprisonment,

Passing legislation revoking the citizenship of a citizen, and thus their right to vote if they are indebted,

N.B. note for resolution to be drafted:
Once again legislation clearly defining citizenship, it's rights, it's duties and how easily a nation-state can revoke said status would better address this issue.

Understanding that the rights of those living in autocratic nations in regards to their political rights are not addressed,

You seem to be confusing the terms citizen and subject, legal inhabitants of an autocratic nation are what would more appropriatly be called subjects and thus they have privileges and not rights. Somewhat of a distinction

Noticing the resolution does not specify on what debtors can not be stripped of the right to vote on,

In which case it is safe to assume that this is binding to all things they would have been able to vote on should they not have been a debtor. Same reasoning applies to why the imprisonment "loophole" you mentioned is applied. If there is a reason for disenfranchisement aside from debt, then disenfranchising the individual on said basis is perfectly valid.

Seeing that such a loosely worded clause is open to exploitation,

The same has been said of COCR by resolutions currently in drafting, those penning said resolutions are not attempting to repeal COCR because it doesn't carefully enough address said points. Instead those penning said resolutions are writing legislation to build atop the protections outlined in COCR.

Believing the World Assembly Delegation of the nation which passed the legislation could write a more conclusive piece of legislation for this issue,

I see no reason that these separate issues need be addressed by a single resolution. Instead it merely points out where there are other holes in the protections that the WA affords it's member-states citizens and/or subjects against their home nation.

Hoping that member nations will create thoughtful and articulate legislation with regards to unforeseen consequences and in consideration to the variety of member states' cultural normalities on this issue,

Wishing that in the period the legislation is active its loopholes will not be exploited at the expense of the citizenry of nations across the multiverse,

So your solution is instead to deprive them of enfranchisement during the interrum you have created. Nevermind that the other issues you bring up still can be wrought upon the indebted anyway. This seems very poorly thought out on what it believes of debtors and what their rights should be. If it believes debtors should have voting rights, then this repeal simply is throwing it's own ideals under the bus. Otherwise the repeal is merely veiled attempt to maintain the status quo of the ability to disenfranchise the indebted. <This may just be snarky, consider it for removal Mr Motlante.
When a resolution actively prevents further legislation which addresses it's flaws or has become redundant (due to further legislation covering all prohibitions stated within the legislation), then and only then is it worthwhile to repeal legislation that is doing good (or you think would do good with further protections).

Hereby repeals GA Resolution #454.

[Kenmoria]

“I am opposed to this repeal, and have voted accordingly. Although there are some good points raised, I believe the delegation from Imperium Anglorum is already drafting a piece of legislation to address the problem of votes in prison. Likewise, I find it strange that you put in a clause about stripping citizenship to avoid following 454, when that is expressly forbidden by extant GA law.”

[Mombombu]

It’s been said that brevity is the soul of wit, however that is not the case when drafting any meaningful legislation.
Debtor’s Voting Rights in its current form should have never been passed.

We can’t have the World Assembly devolve into one-sentence resolutions that are meant to be patched up later. It’s sloppy, it’s reckless, and it’s a dangerous precedent to set.
It’s as simple as that.

[Doctis Rebus]

The Federal Government of Doctis Rebus has voted for this motion, not only on the precedent that the resolution was far too short, but also because it disagrees with the premise. Allowing criminals to vote is completely unjustifiable, as they are voting on matters that affect those who have not committed any crimes: this is a monumental miscarriage of justice.