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[Draft] Repeal: Preventing the Execution of Innocents

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:59 pm

Tinfect wrote:Mandating the destruction of documents which are required by the resolution to determine a lack of disqualifying irregularities,

This is still inaccurate.
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:07 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Tinfect wrote:Mandating the destruction of documents which are required by the resolution to determine a lack of disqualifying irregularities,

This is still inaccurate.


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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:00 am

“My delegation has been instructed by my government to ... to ... looking for a word here ... (assistant whispers in his ear) ... oh, yes, that’s it ... I don’t use this word much around here so please forgive my forgetfulness ... *ahem* ... anyhow, We support this repeal attempt. Yes, that’s it, support.”
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Postby Tinfect » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:53 am

OOC:
Hoping to get this in relatively soon. Work to do, people.
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Postby Kyoki Chudoku » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:57 pm

Tokiko Suou was assigned to examine the proposal. ”The proposal this seeks to repeal is, upon analysis, a major problem for Kyoki Chudoku. They would have us perform one execution a year per million people, wait a year before actually conducting said execution, and then make us wait another six months to satisfy their review board. When it comes to certain crimes, execution is the only suitable punishment. And by the regulations they lay out, I guess murder or...defilement, as we call it, is insufficient grounds for execution. That’s plain idiotic. Therefore, we fully support a repeal of the proposal.”
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Postby Falcania » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:43 pm

Supported. Now, should I read it?
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Postby Elyreia » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:45 pm

The target legislation needlessly complicates legal matters by forcing a committee review of the previous trial's verdicts. This implies that the Division is, in some way, shape, or form, masters in not only legal matters internationally, but also in court precedings, law, regulations, ethics, and penal system for each and every single member state of the World Assembly, which currently stands at 24,156 individual governments, each with their own laws and codes regarding everything from depositions, procedures, ethics, conduct, attire, legal precedence, judicial oversight, legal precedence...

I fail to see how this Division could handle such cases. It also requires that criminal groups facing the death penalty must be tried separately and, if charged with the same crime, stagger their cases by over a year for each criminal.

Despicable, and nonsensical. It completely removes the ability to have a speedy trial.

Elyreia is in full support of repeal.
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Postby Battlion » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:55 pm

Still no, sorry.

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Mar 06, 2019 4:10 pm

OOC:
This, also, still exists.
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Postby Hatzisland » Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:21 pm

Thank you! Strongly supportive. Let's get this on the floor!
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:23 pm

Battlion wrote:Still no, sorry.

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Tinfect
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:42 pm

Battlion wrote:
Battlion wrote:Still no, sorry.


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Yes, we are aware, thank you. Does anyone else have anything to say, or is this ready for submission?
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Battlion
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Postby Battlion » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:10 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Battlion wrote:


OOC:
Yes, we are aware, thank you. Does anyone else have anything to say, or is this ready for submission?


You’re then aware of how many repeal attempts tried and failed? I don’t see why we need to bring this up again tbh.

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Iciaros
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Postby Iciaros » Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:44 pm

"While I personally have my reservations about the death penalty, my Empress has instructed me to vote for this repeal, and I will support it regardless of my personal convictions. Nonetheless, while I understand that you have very strong views on the subject that are by no means invalid, I should note that the forceful moral arguments in the preamble of this repeal proposal may not sit well with some, such as the ambassador from Battlion, and that a more neutral stance on the death penalty may make this repeal more palatable and allow it to gather more general support at vote...

(*aide whispers*)

"... though such neutral language may not have worked in repeal attempts past, I do wonder whether such failures were because or in spite of such language. Nevertheless, of course, the language of the proposal is your prerogative, Ambassador, and no doubt you have more experience here than I.

"As a side note, I would like to address the reasoning put forth in sub-clause 4 of your proposal. My understanding is that the admissibility of evidence does not ipso facto mean that all evidence will be accorded equal and persuasive weight. Therefore, though the target resolution may allow the admission of "unverifiable, nonexistent, or outright fabricated evidence", it does not mandate that the courts treat said evidence as accurate or true. Rules of admissibility exist in many jurisdictions, at least in significant part, to prevent the court from being swamped with irrelevant evidence and thus delaying a trial. These rules do not mandate that courts give a certain weight to evidence (which is normally an inquiry conducted during a trial after evidence has been submitted and accepted). As a result, it appears to me that the reasoning of this sub-clause is somewhat flawed. If the Ambassador could clarify her intent with regards to this, I would greatly appreciate it."

EDIT:

"Apologies, Ambassador, it completely slipped my mind that many countries use a jury system, and in these instances it may be far truer to say that fallible evidence admitted may unduly sway the factual decision-making of the laypeople comprising the jury, who may not have as great a heed to the problems that come with unreliable evidence. That said, I would still draw a distinction between this possibility and the wording of your sub-clause, which is that the target resolution 'requires' such evidence to be treated as true. My apologies for the oversight, and I do hope this observation may still be of use to you."
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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:39 am

Tinfect wrote:
Battlion wrote:


OOC:
Yes, we are aware, thank you. Does anyone else have anything to say, or is this ready for submission?


OOC: Go ahead.
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Postby The Sect Meces » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:41 am

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:18 pm

"It's about time we repeal this resolution"
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Postby Astoriya » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:23 pm

'Oh, come on! This again, when it's already been failed multiple times? I'm still going to stick with justice, and oppose this repeal.'

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:24 pm

Astoriya wrote:'Oh, come on! This again, when it's already been failed multiple times? I'm still going to stick with justice, and oppose this repeal.'

OOC:He's got a better replacement if you'd like to know
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Postby Astoriya » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:26 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Astoriya wrote:'Oh, come on! This again, when it's already been failed multiple times? I'm still going to stick with justice, and oppose this repeal.'

OOC:He's got a better replacement if you'd like to know

OOC: if so, is there a link?

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Postby Marxist Germany » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:48 pm

Astoriya wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:OOC:He's got a better replacement if you'd like to know

OOC: if so, is there a link?

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=456881
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Postby Allied Sapients » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:30 pm

A feathered, bobcat sized alien perches on top of one of the chairs in the hall and peers at a copy of the proposal. “I don’t see anything wrong with this repeal. Support. Well, moral support; we’re not actual members of the Assembly. Can’t vote on it. Couldn’t anyway, because I’m just a trainee. But yes, I think it’s ready to submit.”
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:17 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:
Astoriya wrote:'Oh, come on! This again, when it's already been failed multiple times? I'm still going to stick with justice, and oppose this repeal.'

OOC:He's got a better replacement if you'd like to know

She.
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Mar 07, 2019 2:32 pm

“I would recommend for the final comma in the proposal to be a full stop, as it is at the end of the piece of legislation. I also must declare my opposition to this repeal, since I wouldn’t support a removal of the target at all.”
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Postby BlackLight Covenant » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:12 pm

"Guaranteed support from our side for this one. The whole "one capital case per million people on annual basis" ordeal is way too restrictive for our liking, not to mention that every individual case has to be brought before the Capital Cases Division first, in turn heavily slowing down every individual case before trials have even properly started. And yes, I do understand that this is most likely going to sound quite controversial to some, and might unsurprisingly lead to accusations of being heartless or something similar, but to be frank, seeing this repealed would be a great help in our constant fight against piracy within the lanes of our outer systems, something that often involves perpetrators that have broken enough laws to deserve the death penalty several times over."
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