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[Draft] Repeal: Preventing the Execution of Innocents

Postby Tinfect » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:08 pm

Repeal: GAR 443

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Author: Raslin Seretis, Imperial Diplomatic Envoy

Counsel: Tolarn Feren, Civil Oversight Representative



The World Assembly,

Appalled by the target resolution's unneeded and unwanted intrusion into the criminal justice and legal systems of Member-States, and its utter disregard for the many varied legal systems of Member-States,

Disturbed by the clear intent of the target resolution to deny the victims of crimes found worthy of capital punishment by Member-States any form of closure or justice,

Disgusted by the target resolution's protection of civilian slaughterers, perpetrators of genocide, or any other extreme criminals, by prohibiting extradition of said criminals to jurisdictions where appropriate punishment may be applied,

Understanding that despite the auspices of compromise, the target resolution requires bureaucratic delay of criminal proceedings that serve specifically to prevent any capital punishment from being carried out under its mandates, including:
  1. Prohibiting the retention of documents which are required by the resolution to determine a lack of disqualifying irregularities,
  2. Mandates to the effect of requiring flawless and provably accurate knowledge of future events at the time of the trial,
  3. Allowing the defense in a criminal case wherein capital punishment is being considered to indefinitely delay the proceedings until such time that capital punishment becomes illegal,
  4. Allowing the defense to submit evidence with no restrictions, therefore requiring unverifiable, nonexistent, or outright fabricated evidence be accepted by the court,

Noting that the confluence of these mandates ensures that not only will criminals avoid appropriate sentence for crimes committed, they may also escape sentence entirely, by simply rendering prosecution impossible through the use of unverifiable evidence or indefinite delays, should capital punishment even be considered by the court,

Further noting that the resolution effectively requires that all criminal cases wherein capital punishment is being considered are subject to a dual-trial, once by Member-States and once by an unaccountable extranational court,

Hereby repeals Preventing the Execution of Innocents,


1. Altered inaccurate clause | Destruction of necessary documents -> Inability to retain necessary documents
2. Altered inaccurate clause | Treat fake evidence as true -> Accept the submission of fake evidence


I was never very good at this to begin with and good lord am I out of practice now. Let's get this done people, any assistance would be appreciated, even coming down to rewriting my mediocre clauses, and adding new clauses entirely.

Also, I'm back for the moment. Hello.
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:19 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:"Opposed, AMDG."


From a forgotten corner of the room, covered in dust and cobwebs, emerges the Imperial Delegation, sunken-eyed and haggard, weary with long nights and longer days filled with paperwork, bureaucracy, stress, paperwork, and the most terrible of all: bureaucracy.

Seretis quickly reclaims his position at the head of the group, trying and failing to straighten a badge pin on his uniform.

"What, exactly, Ambassador, is 'Eh Em Dee Gee' meant to mean?"
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:21 pm

Tinfect wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"Opposed, AMDG."


From a forgotten corner of the room, covered in dust and cobwebs, emerges the Imperial Delegation, sunken-eyed and haggard, weary with long nights and longer days filled with paperwork, bureaucracy, stress, paperwork, and the most terrible of all: bureaucracy.

Seretis quickly reclaims his position at the head of the group, trying and failing to straighten a badge pin on his uniform.

"What, exactly, Ambassador, is 'Eh Em Dee Gee' meant to mean?"

"Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam," Sullivan retorts proudly. "For the greater glory of God."
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:43 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:"Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam," Sullivan retorts proudly. "For the greater glory of God."


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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:57 pm

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OOC: Can't write in detail right this second but I would think more detail is needed for how Clauses 1, 3, and 4 are reasonable interpretations. We had us a bit of a fustercluck over repealing this not long ago and the threshold for triggering an Honest Mistake discard is very low. Be forewarned.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Dec 17, 2018 12:00 am

Tinfect wrote:Mandating the destruction of documents which are required by the resolution to determine a lack of disqualifying irregularities,

Where is this written in the target?
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Dec 17, 2018 1:14 am

OOC: Auralia has been drafting a similar repeal proposal for months now. It's gone through several hurdles, including one discard on the grounds of an honest mistake and another one due to a bunch of amoral and unprincipled raiders decapitating two delegates who approved it just "4 the lulz", thereby preventing it from being put to a vote. Surely we should be throwing our support behind his proposal instead?
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:47 am

I'm supporting any and every sensible proposal to repeal the target, regardless of who has been working on the repeal longer. Auralia is free to resubmit whenever they choose.
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Postby Tinfect » Mon Dec 17, 2018 4:54 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: Can't write in detail right this second but I would think more detail is needed for how Clauses 1, 3, and 4 are reasonable interpretations. We had us a bit of a fustercluck over repealing this not long ago and the threshold for triggering an Honest Mistake discard is very low. Be forewarned.


OOC:
This doesn't seem to have gone down in your thread, so I take it I should trawl Auralia's? In any case, thanks for the warning.
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Wallenburg wrote:Where is this written in the target?


"The combination of clause two, and four 'gee'," said Seretis, who as if on cue, produces a dusty copy of the relevant portions of the resolution.
2. [...] For the purposes of avoiding confirmation bias in assessments, the Division shall not keep records of capital punishment procedures.
4. [...] g. submit for review, to the Division, all facts of the case and conclusions reached at trial, at which time the Division shall decide whether to certify that all burdens of proof are met, there has been due process, and all conclusions on evidence are justifiable.

"Admittedly this would be more accurately stated as an inability to keep records, rather than a requirement of destroying them; this is likely to be reflected in the draft at a later date."

New Bremerton wrote:OOC: Auralia has been drafting a similar repeal proposal for months now. It's gone through several hurdles, including one discard on the grounds of an honest mistake and another one due to a bunch of amoral and unprincipled raiders decapitating two delegates who approved it just "4 the lulz", thereby preventing it from being put to a vote. Surely we should be throwing our support behind his proposal instead?


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Let me tell ya' right now, Auralia doing a thing has never been grounds for me to stop what I'm doing, and I'm not about to start ceding to the guy now. Second, no. Multiple drafts towards the same goal by multiple GAers has never been a problem in the past; if Auralia wants to restart drafting to toss his back at vote, that's his prerogative. As it stands, I think mine has a better chance of ultimately passing; there's a lot of people with grudges against Auralia, and frankly, the guy does not have good luck.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:01 pm

Very well then. In anticipation of a tweak to the language of this draft, I can predict my full support for this repeal.
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Postby New Bremerton » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:00 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Let me tell ya' right now, Auralia doing a thing has never been grounds for me to stop what I'm doing, and I'm not about to start ceding to the guy now. Second, no. Multiple drafts towards the same goal by multiple GAers has never been a problem in the past; if Auralia wants to restart drafting to toss his back at vote, that's his prerogative. As it stands, I think mine has a better chance of ultimately passing; there's a lot of people with grudges against Auralia, and frankly, the guy does not have good luck.


Fair enough. Full support for both.
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Postby Battlion » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:37 pm

“No, no more repeals of this”

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Postby Tinfect » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:48 pm

Battlion wrote:“No, no more repeals of this”


"Do consider, Ambassador, that one should not leave damaging and obstructive legislation to stand simply because one tires of its debate?"
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Postby Aclion » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:53 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Oh, for heaven's fu... this thing is still on the books? Didn't we just... Cripes. Support!"

OOC: Can't write in detail right this second but I would think more detail is needed for how Clauses 1, 3, and 4 are reasonable interpretations. We had us a bit of a fustercluck over repealing this not long ago and the threshold for triggering an Honest Mistake discard is very low. Be forewarned.

It's above repeated and deliberate falsehood. So I can't see how.
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United Massachusetts wrote:"Indeed, God is Good."


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Okay, seriously, enough with the bullshit. This thread isn't your personal jesus merchandise stall. If you're trying to piss me off, congratulations, I'm already regretting my decision to come back.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:56 pm

Tinfect wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:"Indeed, God is Good."


OOC:
Okay, seriously, enough with the bullshit. This thread isn't your personal jesus merchandise stall. If you're trying to piss me off, congratulations, I'm already regretting my decision to come back.

OOC: Sorry. Didn't mean to. I'll stop. Just trying to infuse some light-heartedness, though I could understand if you took it otherwise. I didn't mean to cause distress.

In seriousness, we don't support this draft, but wish you good luck.
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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:53 am

New Excalibus wrote:"Good god, not this again..."


The Good Gods willing, the justice of Iupiter, Dies Pater and the wisdom of Minerva will prevail and the resolution put forward by the cultum Catholico representative Auralia will pass and we will be done with this.

OOC: Here is to hoping that God [b]is[/b] good and this resolution will be unneeded. If it does not, I will probably vote for this effort, despite the author, as the target resolution is in crucial need of a repeal, with all possible haste.

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How many times has this come back and dropped in 2018?

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Postby New Excalibus » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:31 am

Aruia wrote:How many times has this come back and dropped in 2018?

At least 3 times, maybe more.
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:29 pm

OOC:
Let's get back to work people.
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