[DRAFT] Regulations on Owned Airspace

[East Kirea]

[proposal=]The World Assembly,
Understanding many nations may not be willing to give up the portion of their land in space,
Believing that if ownership of airspace is limited out of planet transport will be made considerably easier.

In the context of this resolution airspace is defined as;
“Airspace”: the amount of the atmosphere owned by a country above its owned land

Upon the passing of this resolution it will be stated of the general assembly that:
1. Any nation will own all airspace up to 175 km above said nation

2. All above 175 km is unowned land that cannot be claimed, but can be freely explored

3. Air-based transportation such as aeroplanes will still be able to fly below 175 km in the country that owns said aircraft and any nation that grants them permission

4. Planets may not be owned or purchased by a nation, but each country has the right to own a base on a planet, less than 5 km in diameter and 1 km in height

[/proposal] please give feedback

[Borovan entered the region as he]

im not ft but why would a nation want to own space. Kinda seems like shuttles and planes just make trips to and from somewhere, you can have space stations located somewhere but it seems unecessary.

[East Kirea]

im not ft but why would a nation want to own space. Kinda seems like shuttles and planes just make trips to and from somewhere, you can have space stations located somewhere but it seems unecessary.

the resolution is more focused on limiting the space that that is actually owned to give air-based transport like planes rockets, etc. the right to fly above other peoples nations without consequence as a mode of transportation.

[Borovan entered the region as he]

Oh I see. Authoritarian nations sometimes prohibit other aircraft from flying into their area. Perhaps it can be said that if airspace for a nation should be freely explored for any aircraft except for military aircraft in nations that are at war with them.

[East Kirea]

Oh I see. Authoritarian nations sometimes prohibit other aircraft from flying into their area. Perhaps it can be said that if airspace for a nation should be freely explored for any aircraft except for military aircraft in nations that are at war with them.

thanks for the constructive feedback!

[Bears Armed]

OOC
Re clause 2, be careful not to contradict GA Resolution #451.

Re clause 4, you seem to be presuming a 'RL' situation with all nations currently based on a single world (Earth?) from which space exploration is only just starting: However, many NS nations are considered (by their players, and by others who roleplay with them) to be on other worlds -- quite possibly already with FTL spaceflight, and ownership of multiple stellar systems -- instead. Also, you seem to have forgotten that that one world would itself presumably (especially if taken to be the Earth) be a planet... so this clause would require member nations to give up most of their "home" territories!

[Araraukar]

Authoritarian nations sometimes prohibit other aircraft from flying into their area. Perhaps it can be said that if airspace for a nation should be freely explored for any aircraft except for military aircraft in nations that are at war with them.

IC: "Absolutely not. We won't have aircraft polluting our skies. Mainland Araraukar will remain no-fly-zone for foreigners, like it is to domestic operators of any aircraft, which includes search and rescue."

OOC: Additionally, "freely explored" would likely lead to a ton of accidents, especially in large nations not completely covered by radar tech. There's a good reason why most commercial flights in RL are confined into "corridors", and even then not all of them are completely radar-covered. And flying unannounced into one of the air traffic corridors would violate pretty much all the aviation rules (and laws) in existence.

[Aclion]

So we're nationalizing airspace and privatizing planets then?

[East Kirea]

Authoritarian nations sometimes prohibit other aircraft from flying into their area. Perhaps it can be said that if airspace for a nation should be freely explored for any aircraft except for military aircraft in nations that are at war with them.

IC: "Absolutely not. We won't have aircraft polluting our skies. Mainland Araraukar will remain no-fly-zone for foreigners, like it is to domestic operators of any aircraft, which includes search and rescue."

OOC: Additionally, "freely explored" would likely lead to a ton of accidents, especially in large nations not completely covered by radar tech. There's a good reason why most commercial flights in RL are confined into "corridors", and even then not all of them are completely radar-covered. And flying unannounced into one of the air traffic corridors would violate pretty much all the aviation rules (and laws) in existence.

you clearly underestimate the height of 175 km. in a comparison most dictatorships irl allow people to fly above 170 km and anyway you think your nation would just own all the space above your nation stretching across the universe? as interesting as it sounds as a concept, it would be highly impractical.

[Merni]

IC: "Absolutely not. We won't have aircraft polluting our skies. Mainland Araraukar will remain no-fly-zone for foreigners, like it is to domestic operators of any aircraft, which includes search and rescue."

OOC: Additionally, "freely explored" would likely lead to a ton of accidents, especially in large nations not completely covered by radar tech. There's a good reason why most commercial flights in RL are confined into "corridors", and even then not all of them are completely radar-covered. And flying unannounced into one of the air traffic corridors would violate pretty much all the aviation rules (and laws) in existence.

you clearly underestimate the height of 175 km. in a comparison most dictatorships irl allow people to fly above 170 km and anyway you think your nation would just own all the space above your nation stretching across the universe? as interesting as it sounds as a concept, it would be highly impractical.

Impractical in real life, maybe. But NS is not real life. As Bears Armed pointed out (emphasis mine):

However, many NS nations are considered (by their players, and by others who roleplay with them) to be on other worlds -- quite possibly already with FTL spaceflight, and ownership of multiple stellar systems -- instead.

Plus, I do believe you would have to define a kilometre before using it.

[Bears Armed]

Plus, I do believe you would have to define a kilometre before using it.

OOC: Incorrect.

[Araraukar]

Plus, I do believe you would have to define a kilometre before using it.

OOC: Incorrect.

OOC: Not to mention that units that are understandable RL ones, would get translated to each nation's own units - there's a whole resolution about measurement units.

you clearly underestimate the height of 175 km. in a comparison most dictatorships irl allow people to fly above 170 km

OOC: I was responding to the person who said that airspaces should be free-for-all. They said nothing about suborbital heights.

and anyway you think your nation would just own all the space above your nation stretching across the universe? as interesting as it sounds as a concept, it would be highly impractical.

OOC: I have a puppet nation that owns its own solar system, homeplanet included. And they define the edges of the solar system as the aphelion distance of the furthest naturally gravity-bound objects, and use that to draw a sphere. Note that as their sun is part of a binary star, they use as the center of the solar system the point between the stars that they both orbit.

[Wallenburg]

You really must consider the existence of member states that control entire planets or even whole star systems, and whose technology has gone far beyond that of 2018 RL Earth.