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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:05 pm

CoraSpia wrote:"Ambassador, never have I seen a proposal promise so much and deliver so little. The people of the multiverse could, I am sure, do without the World Assembly giving its support to those nations which treat attacks by so-called 'police officers' as different to attacks by any other person. In many of these nations we must remember, it is these so-called officers who serve as the greatest threat to the population."

"Ambassador, that sounds like a purely domestic concern. Like the entire area of self-defense law. If you take issue with such attacks, handle it domestically."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:03 pm

"This has been revived. For obvious reasons."

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:06 pm

Lydia Anderson, Assistant to the Delegate-Ambassador: When did you include the clause trying to reserve to member states "concerns regarding self-defense education and training," sir, and for what reason?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:16 pm

OOC: Are you sure you really want to try this now, of all times, when voters will be as volatile as possible on the topic?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:24 pm

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: Are you sure you really want to try this now, of all times, when voters will be as volatile as possible on the topic?

OOC: I expect that Tinhampton's draft will not succeed. At which time I look forward to seeing the voters seek a blocker.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:25 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: Are you sure you really want to try this now, of all times, when voters will be as volatile as possible on the topic?

OOC: I expect that Tinhampton's draft will not succeed. At which time I look forward to seeing the voters seek a blocker.

Tin's draft is on self-defense education, not the legality of self-defense itself. If not for the last 3 words in this draft, these two drafts attack totally different policy spheres.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:34 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I expect that Tinhampton's draft will not succeed. At which time I look forward to seeing the voters seek a blocker.

Tin's draft is on self-defense education, not the legality of self-defense itself. If not for the last 3 words in this draft, these two drafts attack totally different policy spheres.

OOC: I have great confidence in the majority of voters to miss the brief.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:36 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Tin's draft is on self-defense education, not the legality of self-defense itself. If not for the last 3 words in this draft, these two drafts attack totally different policy spheres.

OOC: I have great confidence in the majority of voters to miss the brief.

So you're trying to stop SDEC (or similar) passing by inserting a blocker into Article 5 of a resolution about self-defence in practice and openly admitting that most people won't notice? :roll:
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Postby Bananaistan » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:44 pm

"Support."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:26 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I have great confidence in the majority of voters to miss the brief.

So you're trying to stop SDEC (or similar) passing by inserting a blocker into Article 5 of a resolution about self-defence in practice and openly admitting that most people won't notice? :roll:



Ooc: yes. Over ten thousand votes are cast in these votes. Do you really think most of them read carefully?

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:57 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:So you're trying to stop SDEC (or similar) passing by inserting a blocker into Article 5 of a resolution about self-defence in practice and openly admitting that most people won't notice? :roll:

Ooc: yes. Over ten thousand votes are cast in these votes. Do you really think most of them read carefully?

They will... soon.

Article 5's insistence that member states allow their inhabitants to defend themselves while permitting them not to allow their inhabitants to learn how they can defend themselves is mindboggling at best. Yet it is also many times more dangerous than almost any of the other topical riders I have encountered in my five years in the World Assembly. I therefore cannot cast my 43 votes (as of time of writing) in favour of this proposal until the Article 5 rider is removed.
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Postby Wayneactia » Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:47 pm

Unconditional support.

Tinhampton wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: yes. Over ten thousand votes are cast in these votes. Do you really think most of them read carefully?

They will... soon.

Have you invented some magic formula that somehow makes people actually read things? If so, you should patent that shit and it will make you trillions.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:35 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: yes. Over ten thousand votes are cast in these votes. Do you really think most of them read carefully?

They will... soon.

Article 5's insistence that member states allow their inhabitants to defend themselves while permitting them not to allow their inhabitants to learn how they can defend themselves is mindboggling at best. Yet it is also many times more dangerous than almost any of the other topical riders I have encountered in my five years in the World Assembly. I therefore cannot cast my 43 votes (as of time of writing) in favour of this proposal until the Article 5 rider is removed.


"Please do. A countercampaign from your delegation would likely push many delegates into the FOR camp. Your reputation cuts against you in this case, ambassador. Member states are welcome to make their own determinations regarding self defense and the rules governing it. Self defense and it's appropriateness, in all contexts, is extremely culturally specific, and forcing member states to incorporate a one-size-fits-all approach without regard for that cultural context is poor policy. At best, it is wasteful and inefficient."

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Nov 21, 2021 4:32 am

Anderson: I do not want every self-defence teacher everywhere to deliver the same instruction to everybody; that is a massive misrepresentation of my position and the Tinhamptonian delegation's. I do not even want all rules about self-defence - other than its status as a legal defence - to be the same everywhere. If you have any further concerns, you'll find me in what used to be Maria vyn Nysen's office until she quit a few months ago.
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Postby Haganham » Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:21 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:"This has been revived. For obvious reasons."

"why? what happened"

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:24 pm

Tinhampton wrote:Article 5's insistence that member states allow their inhabitants to defend themselves while permitting them not to allow their inhabitants to learn how they can defend themselves is mindboggling at best. Yet it is also many times more dangerous than almost any of the other topical riders I have encountered in my five years in the World Assembly. I therefore cannot cast my 43 votes (as of time of writing) in favour of this proposal until the Article 5 rider is removed.

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Postby Ainocra » Mon Nov 22, 2021 4:16 am

Article three is a bit vague perhaps something more like this


This right in no way protects those who are in the act of committing a crime or those who are being lawfully detained by the appropriate authorities of their respective nations.

Rough wording but it gets the gist across, feel free to use it in any way you can.
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