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[DRAFT] Voting Opportunities for Prisoners

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:37 am
by Calsolato
Here is a General Assembly Proposition, tell me what you think of it.

The World Assembly,

The Opportunity and right to vote for a prisoner shall not be infringed upon and all current prisoners shall have the chance to vote.

The rights and restrictions to voting for prisoners shall be the same as any other citizen in regards to times and requirements such as age and citizenship status.

The definition and the qualifications to be considered a prisoner is:

a person legally held in a government or private facility/prison as a punishment for the crimes they have committed or while awaiting a trial.

Be it enacted by the world assembly as follows:

1. All prisoners rights to vote shall not be infringed upon while being detained in a government facility or private prison.

2. Each prisoner shall get to cast a ballot inside of a prison and all ballots shall be taken to an election center where the ballots shall be cast.

3. The time in which ballots are cast must be the same for prisoners as regular citizens.

4. A prisoner shall have the right to vote no matter what crime they have committed.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:04 am
by Wallenburg
"Very interesting. I must point out that clauses one and four seem to contradict one another. Also, definitions traditionally come before any active mandates."

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:39 am
by Kenmoria
“This doesn’t have any particular errors with regards to conforming with the rules of this assembly, but I find the content rather misguided. For example, with someone convicted of voting fraud or an extremely serious crime like mass murder, suffrage would most likely not be appropriate. There is also the fact that this appears rather restrictive on democracies, which seems hypocritical where there dictatorships in the WA.”

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:18 pm
by Calsolato
Wallenburg wrote:"Very interesting. I must point out that clauses one and four seem to contradict one another. Also, definitions traditionally come before any active mandates."

Fixed

PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:23 pm
by Separatist Peoples
"Opposed. Criminals serving sentences are deprived of certain rights, sometimes out of necessity and other times as part of the punitive experience. In the C.D.S.P., prisoners are temporarily disenfranchised for the duration of their incarceration. For a politically active population, this is no small punishment. We oppose an attempt to reverse this policy."

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:00 am
by Kowani
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. Criminals serving sentences are deprived of certain rights, sometimes out of necessity and other times as part of the punitive experience. In the C.D.S.P., prisoners are temporarily disenfranchised for the duration of their incarceration. For a politically active population, this is no small punishment. We oppose an attempt to reverse this policy."

"May I remind you that certain...barbarian wastes have imprisonment for petty things like Jaywalking."

"What your bill needs are a list of crimes that can result in suffrage being lost and prohibiting it for everything else.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:31 am
by Separatist Peoples
Kowani wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. Criminals serving sentences are deprived of certain rights, sometimes out of necessity and other times as part of the punitive experience. In the C.D.S.P., prisoners are temporarily disenfranchised for the duration of their incarceration. For a politically active population, this is no small punishment. We oppose an attempt to reverse this policy."

"May I remind you that certain...barbarian wastes have imprisonment for petty things like Jaywalking."

"What your bill needs are a list of crimes that can result in suffrage being lost and prohibiting it for everything else.

"Any government who seeks power by imprisoning voters has larger problems than this draft, ambassador."

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:51 am
by Araraukar
"Is the author aware that not all member nations have elections and voting, or at least not ones that anyone but the chosen councilors or committee members was eligible to vote in?"

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:51 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
I oppose this. Murderers in prison for example shouldn't have the right to vote, and it opens up the possibility of a politician offering amnesty in exchange for votes.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:12 am
by Caracasus
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I oppose this. Murderers in prison for example shouldn't have the right to vote, and it opens up the possibility of a politician offering amnesty in exchange for votes.


If the number of prisoners in your nation is so large that it's likely that politicians would gain an advantage in the polls by offering amnesties then your nation is fucked far beyond what a WA resolution could do.

The major pitfall when it comes to prisoner voting really comes from the fact that prisoners are often imprisoned in different towns or counties to the ones they live in. Where would the prisoner cast their vote? For a represntative from their home or for one from where they are imprisoned?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:41 am
by LiberNovusAmericae
Caracasus wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I oppose this. Murderers in prison for example shouldn't have the right to vote, and it opens up the possibility of a politician offering amnesty in exchange for votes.


If the number of prisoners in your nation is so large that it's likely that politicians would gain an advantage in the polls by offering amnesties then your nation is fucked far beyond what a WA resolution could do.

The major pitfall when it comes to prisoner voting really comes from the fact that prisoners are often imprisoned in different towns or counties to the ones they live in. Where would the prisoner cast their vote? For a represntative from their home or for one from where they are imprisoned?

Prisoners can influence small local elections, especially if a prison is located in a very rural area. That being said, I primarily oppose this for punishment reasons. People who committed a major crime shouldn't get to vote until their prison term is up. Assuming that prisoners get to vote though, they should only get to vote for politicians running in their hometown, not where the prison happens to be.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:38 am
by Cosmopolitan borovan
Support

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:32 pm
by Liberimery
We will oppose this as well. As a Direct Democracy, the votes of the incarcerated can do much more damage to our own communities than merely possiblely Gerrymander some districts.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:21 pm
by Marxist Germany
Kowani wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Opposed. Criminals serving sentences are deprived of certain rights, sometimes out of necessity and other times as part of the punitive experience. In the C.D.S.P., prisoners are temporarily disenfranchised for the duration of their incarceration. For a politically active population, this is no small punishment. We oppose an attempt to reverse this policy."

"May I remind you that certain...barbarian wastes have imprisonment for petty things like Jaywalking."

"What your bill needs are a list of crimes that can result in suffrage being lost and prohibiting it for everything else.

I agree