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Sierra Lyricalia
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:26 pm

"I do not wish to over-inflate the length of your proposal, sir. I do have just a couple of trifling remarks, as this otherwise looks quite ready."

Separatist Peoples wrote:Anguishing over the shattering of families during war, even where nations take utmost precautions;

"Anguished."


3. Member states will ensure that children not yet placed with a permanent guardian are given adequate, livable quarters separate from those of adults.


"Hmm. I would say... '...are given livable quarters separate from those of adults, with furnishings and personal space no less than the average a native-born child would receive in the member state's domestic foster or orphanage system.' Unfortunately I'm sure we're all aware of the wild mental gymnastics some nations will get up to with no more than the word 'adequate' to guide their orc-brained thinking."

Dunno where you are in relation to the character limit, but as we have started to learn around here, "reasonable" often isn't, and "adequate" may be anything but, in situations where damn dirty foreigners are involved.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:10 am

"The requirement that children be housed separately from their caretakers confuses me. Disregarding all the logistical complications it creates, it seems counterintuitive to prevent caretakers from taking care of their children. It makes it harder to protect, communicate with, or provide assistance to these children, an especially concerning set of obstacles given wartime conditions."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:41 am

Wallenburg wrote:"The requirement that children be housed separately from their caretakers confuses me. Disregarding all the logistical complications it creates, it seems counterintuitive to prevent caretakers from taking care of their children. It makes it harder to protect, communicate with, or provide assistance to these children, an especially concerning set of obstacles given wartime conditions."

Ooc: missed this. This is a common requirement for nonfamilial housing arrangements to cut down on sexual exploitation.

Ic:
"The intent is to prevent children from sharing bedrooms with adults in an effort to cut down on potential sexual exploitation. If children are housed separately, by room or by building, from adults, then any violation of this itself opens the door to further scrutiny for misbehavior. A predator cannot wave away inquiry on the basis that the sleeping arrangement is standard."

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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:50 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:"The requirement that children be housed separately from their caretakers confuses me. Disregarding all the logistical complications it creates, it seems counterintuitive to prevent caretakers from taking care of their children. It makes it harder to protect, communicate with, or provide assistance to these children, an especially concerning set of obstacles given wartime conditions."

Ooc: missed this. This is a common requirement for nonfamilial housing arrangements to cut down on sexual exploitation.

Ic:
"The intent is to prevent children from sharing bedrooms with adults in an effort to cut down on potential sexual exploitation. If children are housed separately, by room or by building, from adults, then any violation of this itself opens the door to further scrutiny for misbehavior. A predator cannot wave away inquiry on the basis that the sleeping arrangement is standard."

OOC: Yeah, this is more an IC concern than an OOC one. Even so, the proposal might benefit from different phrasing.

IC: "I must disagree with the principle, as sexual violence is better curtailed through rigorous screening rather than through ease of conviction when it happens. Regardless, if you intend to require separate sleeping arrangements, I recommend editing the mandate to reflect that in greater detail than separate quarters, which I took to require entirely separate buildings."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:23 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: missed this. This is a common requirement for nonfamilial housing arrangements to cut down on sexual exploitation.

Ic:
"The intent is to prevent children from sharing bedrooms with adults in an effort to cut down on potential sexual exploitation. If children are housed separately, by room or by building, from adults, then any violation of this itself opens the door to further scrutiny for misbehavior. A predator cannot wave away inquiry on the basis that the sleeping arrangement is standard."

OOC: Yeah, this is more an IC concern than an OOC one. Even so, the proposal might benefit from different phrasing.

IC: "I must disagree with the principle, as sexual violence is better curtailed through rigorous screening rather than through ease of conviction when it happens. Regardless, if you intend to require separate sleeping arrangements, I recommend editing the mandate to reflect that in greater detail than separate quarters, which I took to require entirely separate buildings."

Ooc: 4am is a bad time for drafting but will do.

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Postby Barfleur » Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:27 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Ooc: missed this. This is a common requirement for nonfamilial housing arrangements to cut down on sexual exploitation.

Ic:
"The intent is to prevent children from sharing bedrooms with adults in an effort to cut down on potential sexual exploitation. If children are housed separately, by room or by building, from adults, then any violation of this itself opens the door to further scrutiny for misbehavior. A predator cannot wave away inquiry on the basis that the sleeping arrangement is standard."

OOC: Yeah, this is more an IC concern than an OOC one. Even so, the proposal might benefit from different phrasing.

IC: "I must disagree with the principle, as sexual violence is better curtailed through rigorous screening rather than through ease of conviction when it happens. Regardless, if you intend to require separate sleeping arrangements, I recommend editing the mandate to reflect that in greater detail than separate quarters, which I took to require entirely separate buildings."

"On this I agree with the ambassador from Wallenburg. Merely forcing a predator to sleep one door down from a vulnerable victim is not sufficient to prevent or even detect exploitation. Instead, I think stronger screening procedures are required to ensure only the right kinds of people* are able to become caretakers of children."

* People other than pedophiles and other abusers.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:13 pm

Barfleur wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: Yeah, this is more an IC concern than an OOC one. Even so, the proposal might benefit from different phrasing.

IC: "I must disagree with the principle, as sexual violence is better curtailed through rigorous screening rather than through ease of conviction when it happens. Regardless, if you intend to require separate sleeping arrangements, I recommend editing the mandate to reflect that in greater detail than separate quarters, which I took to require entirely separate buildings."

"On this I agree with the ambassador from Wallenburg. Merely forcing a predator to sleep one door down from a vulnerable victim is not sufficient to prevent or even detect exploitation. Instead, I think stronger screening procedures are required to ensure only the right kinds of people* are able to become caretakers of children."

* People other than pedophiles and other abusers.

"Ambassador, I do not believe this level of detail is necessary. Member states are obliged to confer all rights on wartime orphans as domestic children. That includes the provisions of Prevention of Child Abuse. How member states effectuate those obligations is external to this proposed policy, as the obligations to investigate and protect is necessarily implied to remain compliant. Addressing minimal housing standards for wartime orphans is not, as it eliminates one of the easier forms of grooming and obfuscation of abuse as well as promotes a space of psychological safety for such children. It is not intended to eliminate abuse. It is intended to reduce the general ease of abuse."

OOC: This is a common provision in foster home inspections, which I have something of a resource regarding. The goal is not only to limit the brazen ease of grooming and abuse, but also to ensure that a caretaker has sufficient room to take on a ward, even temporarily. I'm trying to incorporate that concern without replicating an entire child welfare building code.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 09, 2022 12:57 pm

Bump

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Postby Hulldom » Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:13 pm

"Everything looks fine to me, Ambassador Bell. However, I do question whether the second clause in (8) is not just a restatement of the first."
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