[DRAFT] Welfare of Wartime Orphans

[Blueflarst]

put your feet on earth and stop promoting utopias

"If not letting children starve is your idea of a utopia, I shudder to think of the state of the WA were you a relevant voice in it. I will not be taking your advice. Good day."

Blueflarst funding is for Blueflarst orphans. Also they have a family in our military forces which instruct them in moralty self defense and support them to have success on their personal live.
I do not care of the sons of my enemies they will only develop hate to us. And tha does not turn me into an orc.

[Separatist Peoples]

"If not letting children starve is your idea of a utopia, I shudder to think of the state of the WA were you a relevant voice in it. I will not be taking your advice. Good day."

Blueflarst funding is for Blueflarst orphans. Also they have a family in our military forces which instruct them in moralty self defense and support them to have success on their personal live.
I do not care of the sons of my enemies they will only develop hate to us. And tha does not turn me into an orc.

"As you can imagine, I did not expect to have your vote. I still do not expect to have your vote. Vote against. I will not be making alterations to suit your particular worldview."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

...And tha does not turn me into an orc.

Steph deadpans, "No, certainly not. No more than sneezing makes you have a cold, or not leaving your couch for two days turns you into a drug addict. I believe the entire Assembly is aware that causes precede effects, rather than the other way around."

[Separatist Peoples]

Bump

[Falcania]

I fear my request for legal clarification may have been overshadowed by the subsequent remarks so I shall repeat it from the record:

I seek a legal clarification on whether the "age of majority" in clause 1 refers to the legal age of majority in the nation that is looking after the orphan, or the nation from which the orphan is from?

[Separatist Peoples]

I fear my request for legal clarification may have been overshadowed by the subsequent remarks so I shall repeat it from the record:

I seek a legal clarification on whether the "age of majority" in clause 1 refers to the legal age of majority in the nation that is looking after the orphan, or the nation from which the orphan is from?

"This was left vague to permit a certain amount of leeway with shockingly different ages of majority. For example, the age of majority for the C.D.S.P. is 20. If the age of majority in Statistan is 4 to evade child labor laws, the C.D.S.P. forces invading Statistan would have to make a judgment call based on a liberal interpretation of the policy goals per clause 13. If the situation were reversed, Statistani forces would have to consider whether 6 year old C.D.S.P. children were adults when considering the policy goals. In both cases, the policy supports an interpretation that allows application of the resolution.

"Not going to lie, I thought it was a pretty clever approach."

[Falcania]

I fear my request for legal clarification may have been overshadowed by the subsequent remarks so I shall repeat it from the record:

I seek a legal clarification on whether the "age of majority" in clause 1 refers to the legal age of majority in the nation that is looking after the orphan, or the nation from which the orphan is from?

"This was left vague to permit a certain amount of leeway with shockingly different ages of majority. For example, the age of majority for the C.D.S.P. is 20. If the age of majority in Statistan is 4 to evade child labor laws, the C.D.S.P. forces invading Statistan would have to make a judgment call based on a liberal interpretation of the policy goals per clause 13. If the situation were reversed, Statistani forces would have to consider whether 6 year old C.D.S.P. children were adults when considering the policy goals. In both cases, the policy supports an interpretation that allows application of the resolution.

"Not going to lie, I thought it was a pretty clever approach."

It is a pretty clever approach. I don't think it's too onerous to expect courts to arbitrate that on a case by case basis.

[Separatist Peoples]

"This was left vague to permit a certain amount of leeway with shockingly different ages of majority. For example, the age of majority for the C.D.S.P. is 20. If the age of majority in Statistan is 4 to evade child labor laws, the C.D.S.P. forces invading Statistan would have to make a judgment call based on a liberal interpretation of the policy goals per clause 13. If the situation were reversed, Statistani forces would have to consider whether 6 year old C.D.S.P. children were adults when considering the policy goals. In both cases, the policy supports an interpretation that allows application of the resolution.

"Not going to lie, I thought it was a pretty clever approach."

It is a pretty clever approach. I don't think it's too onerous to expect courts to arbitrate that on a case by case basis.

"Or even expecting nations to create policies for combat areas that predetermine what age of majority the state will be using."

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Looking to submit this soon

[Araraukar]

OOC: Looking to submit this soon

OOC: Good luck.

[New Bremerton]

We salute Separatist Peoples for this extremely well-thought out and well-written resolution borne out of selfless compassion for society's most vulnerable. Family separation is something that we believe must be minimized at all costs, and it falls to belligerents on all sides of a conflict to uphold that responsibility and minimize any trauma incurred by children caught up in hostilities.

This proposal has our complete and unwavering support.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: I tried to submit this and found it was too long. I have edited this to bring it under 5000 characters. Nothing has changed substantively, but I would appreciate feedback for any technical errors I've inadvertently created.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Asking this OOCly, because I think that ICly the intern would freak out.

In clause 2, the "an adult of similar cultural or ethnic tradition continue the education of child" - I know you have trouble with character limit already, but can nations ban such adults from teaching cultural/ethnic traditions that would be banned by the nation's or WA's laws? Like, say, child marriage being okay, or dangerous superstitions like having sex with a virgin will cure HIV.

Also, can nations require the adult to actually be a teacher?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Asking this OOCly, because I think that ICly the intern would freak out.

In clause 2, the "an adult of similar cultural or ethnic tradition continue the education of child" - I know you have trouble with character limit already, but can nations ban such adults from teaching cultural/ethnic traditions that would be banned by the nation's or WA's laws? Like, say, child marriage being okay, or dangerous superstitions like having sex with a virgin will cure HIV.

Also, can nations require the adult to actually be a teacher?

OOC: Nothing prohibits or prescribes a particular curriculum one way or another. If the resolution is silent on a matter, then it is the nation's choice how to execute the policy, provided it is done in the spirit of the law per Clause 13.

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ok, for real, last call."

[Old Hope]

"Ok, for real, last call."

However, in no case may member states refuse to transfer stewardship to the child's nation of origin unless doing so is manifestly counter to the child's best interests and there is an objectively compelling and practical purpose for that refusal.

"Can you provide some examples of your nation, complying with that clause, would deem to be cases fulfilling both conditions, and other examples your nation would deem to fail one of these criteria? We remain confused towards the aims and the effect of this clause."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Ok, for real, last call."

However, in no case may member states refuse to transfer stewardship to the child's nation of origin unless doing so is manifestly counter to the child's best interests and there is an objectively compelling and practical purpose for that refusal.

"Can you provide some examples of your nation, complying with that clause, would deem to be cases fulfilling both conditions, and other examples your nation would deem to fail one of these criteria? We remain confused towards the aims and the effect of this clause."

"It means that member states can't kidnap orphans."

[Laissez-Faire Economics]

"If member states can't be bothered to keep their kids away from active warzones, maybe they aren't the best custodians, and shouldn't be trusted with the lives of any civilians involved? Besides, orphaned kids make for good, honest employees."

[Separatist Peoples]

"If member states can't be bothered to keep their kids away from active warzones, maybe they aren't the best custodians, and shouldn't be trusted with the lives of any civilians involved?

"Not all wars occur far away from population centers, and since modern weapon systems often move well beyond the speed of sound, this entire line of reasoning is just ignorant of reality."

Besides, orphaned kids make for good, honest employees."

"This statement reveals so many violations of WA law that I'm not even going to dignify it with further response."

[Elyreia]

Uncertain if this query would be related to this resolution, or is something to consider at all in the current drafts, but would it be viable for non-belligerents to be allowed access to deal with war orphans until such time as foster, adoptive, or related families can reacquire the children, or hostilities cease?

[Separatist Peoples]

Uncertain if this query would be related to this resolution, or is something to consider at all in the current drafts, but would it be viable for non-belligerents to be allowed access to deal with war orphans until such time as foster, adoptive, or related families can reacquire the children, or hostilities cease?

"It concerns me to permit the chain of custody of a wartime orphan to include more than two jurisdictional links. Adding a third, even neutral, entity outside of either the home or host nation invites the potential for dispute. At best. At worse, it permits nations to transfer orphans to "neutral" parties to frustrate the home nation's recovery efforts."

[Elyreia]

"It concerns me to permit the chain of custody of a wartime orphan to include more than two jurisdictional links. Adding a third, even neutral, entity outside of either the home or host nation invites the potential for dispute. At best. At worse, it permits nations to transfer orphans to "neutral" parties to frustrate the home nation's recovery efforts."

Hm, we can see the concerns. To allow such would definitely require WA oversight to prevent abuses of such a system.

[Kyoki Chudoku]

"If member states can't be bothered to keep their kids away from active warzones, maybe they aren't the best custodians, and shouldn't be trusted with the lives of any civilians involved? Besides, orphaned kids make for good, honest employees."

Tokiko managed to arrive at the discussion at the precise moment to make her barely avoid doing a spit take. She then sighed. ”Alright, let’s get this out of the way. I’m a child killer. It was either kill ‘em or die ourselves, and our enemy insisted on using the youngest soldiers they could get to shoot straight and stab straight. The idea that you can just decide where a war happens and keep it away from population centres is ridiculous, especially when the enemy isn’t obliged to give a chopped-up rodent’s tail about whether or not kids are affected. I’ve seen the horrors of wire, and while I’m paranoid over the specifics, I actually support this resolution because children- that is to say, innocent ones with minds of their own- don’t deserve to suffer due to armed conflict.”

[Laissez-Faire Economics]

"If member states can't be bothered to keep their kids away from active warzones, maybe they aren't the best custodians, and shouldn't be trusted with the lives of any civilians involved?

"Not all wars occur far away from population centers, and since modern weapon systems often move well beyond the speed of sound, this entire line of reasoning is just ignorant of reality."

"That is exactly why such weak nations can't be trusted with orphaned children. What would you have member states do, turn over children only for them to risk death again in bombings and shellings weeks or days later?"

Besides, orphaned kids make for good, honest employees."

"This statement reveals so many violations of WA law that I'm not even going to dignify it with further response."

"My home nation is not a member of the World Assembly. The National Defence Council hired Douglas & Steed to explore foreign trade opportunities, and they contracted my employers to have me spend some time here, to determine whether observer status would result in a net profit to our economies. Seeing as you can't even stomach the idea of teenagers getting paid to do laundry or drive supplies, I'm not very enthusiastic about that possibility."

[Elyreia]

-snip-
"My home nation is not a member of the World Assembly.""

Then I do believe your input on this resolution's effects is moot. Thank you for your time.