[DISCARDED] Repeal "Preventing the Execution of Innocents"

[Lord Dominator]

I am unaware of a counter campaign, but it just so happens that I triggered a run by Amestris, and took part in a second one with Lily, that aimed to remove delegates approving two WA proposals, one of which was this one. It's not personal, I just want to harass the WA.

Huh. Well, I'll resubmit, though I'll have to make sure those who already got the TG get a revised version explaining what happened.

Blame it on raiders, claim this new one is a way to strike back at them

[Wallenburg]

As if Gameplay wasn't interfering in the GA enough already...

[Galiantus III]

Oh. That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. That's really annoying, to harass the WA to a dysfunctional state.

It'll peter out or similar in due order, fear not.

Sorry LD, but I have to disagree with you. There are a handful of gameplayers beside myself who have expressed intent to make regular use of this tactic, given its effectiveness.

[Lord Dominator]

It'll peter out or similar in due order, fear not.

Sorry LD, but I have to disagree with you. There are a handful of gameplayers beside myself who have expressed intent to make regular use of this tactic, given its effectiveness.

Mhmm

[Auralia]

It'll peter out or similar in due order, fear not.

Sorry LD, but I have to disagree with you. There are a handful of gameplayers beside myself who have expressed intent to make regular use of this tactic, given its effectiveness.

Why target this repeal in particular, if I may ask?

[Lord Dominator]

Sorry LD, but I have to disagree with you. There are a handful of gameplayers beside myself who have expressed intent to make regular use of this tactic, given its effectiveness.

Why target this repeal in particular, if I may ask?

According to statements elsewhere it was because it was around quorum at the time, which made for good testing of some approval runs (which is what Gal was doing, not me of course).
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[Xanthal]

Xanthal opposed GAR#443 in the first place and we oppose it now. Having suffered a humiliating defeat in their effort to pass an upfront ban on executions, the anti-execution contingent decided to go for the backdoor approach. If I'd been hip to how fashionable legality challenges have apparently become of late I'd have even submitted a protest based on the Strength Rule. In summary, we disagree with the intent, we disagree with the tactics, we disagree with the legality, and we disagree with the effect. Nothing would please the Xanthalian delegation more than to see Preventing the Execution of Innocents stiffly rebuked.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

At vote

[Furry Things]

While I am against the death penalty, I am for this repeal. I do hope a more suitable replacement is drafted in the future, however.

[Battlion]

Against, as I’ve been with every other repeal attempt, i hope that once this repeal is voted on if it is clearly defeated people will move on for a proper length of time rather than what was initially a flurry of repeal proposals and a clogging up of GA time and the queue.

[DominantRepublic]

Full support, I have over crowding in my prisons. Its affecting my economy.

[Waffia]

While Waffia would like to see a world in which capital punishment is no more, we acknowledge that it is currently not legislatively feasible to completely outlaw the practice. We therefore agree with the goals of GAR #443, although we acknowledge the flaws outlined in this repeal. What worries us, however, is that there will be no replacing resolution after GAR #443 is repealed, especially considering the past difficulties with legislating anything around capital punishment.

We prefer to err on the side of caution and will not support this repeal.

[United States of Americanas]

Why repeal this? The death penalty is government murder no matter what. It’s the government killing a person for a crime. I won’t support the death penalty or legislation that enables it. Here’s my big fat NAY vote!

[The Earth Systems Alliance]

Why repeal this? The death penalty is government murder no matter what. It’s the government killing a person for a crime. I won’t support the death penalty or legislation that enables it. Here’s my big fat NAY vote!

The government has the monopoly on violence, to protect people from outsiders and from themselves.

[Sefy the Great]

I'm going to put this out right now:
If you don't have the death penalty for Attempted Suicide, then i don't know what you're doing with your spare time.

[Liberimery]

Why repeal this? The death penalty is government murder no matter what. It’s the government killing a person for a crime. I won’t support the death penalty or legislation that enables it. Here’s my big fat NAY vote!

This resolution enables the Death Penalty in any member nation that so chooses and requires the WA to be involved, meaning that those member states that pay dues to the WA and are opposed to the Death Penalty are party to "government murder".

[Doing it Rightland]

Why repeal this? The death penalty is government murder no matter what. It’s the government killing a person for a crime. I won’t support the death penalty or legislation that enables it. Here’s my big fat NAY vote!

First, war is also government murder. Police can also shoot individuals posing a threat, which is also government murder. The WA recognizes that nations can do these things meaning governments have the right to murder in certain situations.

Next, the target establishes the right to execute people. The target inherently enables the death penalty, albeit in an overly-burdened way. Therefore, not supporting the repeal because the repeal would enable the death penalty is flawed in that the death penalty is already enabled, and the target prevents actions for (in my case) or against it (in your case).

If you want to see more action on the death penalty, it would be impossible unless the target is repealed. As such, I suggest you reconsider your position.

[The Earth Systems Alliance]

I'm going to put this out right now:
If you don't have the death penalty for Attempted Suicide, then i don't know what you're doing with your spare time.

*British law system intensifies*

[Jocospor]

*the Delegate's Office bursts into rapturous applause* Ooo, we're so pleased to see that for vote is winning! This was an awful piece of legislation concocted by that should quite rightly be shot down and burned to smithereens.

[Xanthal]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Just look at what happened to the last proposal that went to a vote.

[Separatist Peoples]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Just look at what happened to the last proposal that went to a vote.

"Don't bother reasoning with the peanut gallery."

[Jocospor]

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Just look at what happened to the last proposal that went to a vote.

"Don't bother reasoning with the peanut gallery."

Macadamia. Macadamia gallery. We're impartial on peanuts. *the Delegate's Office pops open a bag each of sugar-coated macadamias and munches away happily, watching the votes as they roll in*

*munch munch munch* Actually, that reminds us, we must commend the Separatist Peoples for that excellent GA resolution, we'll do that now... *munch*

[Jocospor]

OOC: Oh. There's no forum draft for the International Aero-Space Administration...?

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Oh. There's no forum draft for the International Aero-Space Administration...?

Not relevant to this vote.

[Jocospor]

OOC: Oh. There's no forum draft for the International Aero-Space Administration...?

Not relevant to this vote.

You're right, it's not. A complaint for another setting, perhaps.

Well, the Confederation is certainly pleased to see that Preventing the Execution of Innocents will be soon overturned.