[Published] Women's Products Act

[Wallenburg]

Trevanyika raises her eyebrow at the proposal text. "This is a joke, yes? You haven't actually submitted this for consideration?"

Don't make fun of the kid. He's trying

OOC: That's an incredibly ironic post. I suggest you don't go around calling people "kids", particularly with no knowledge of their real age.

[Quantipapa]

Understanding that some women across the world do not have access to personal hygiene and medicinal products of necessity for one of many reasons.

Realizing that these products are necessary for women.

Hoping that unnecessary pain will be avoided.


Therefore Nations shall provide women's personal hygiene and medicinal products listed free of charge regardless of income;

a. Tampons
b. Emergency Contraception Medications
c. (IUD) Intrauterine Device insertion

All items listed above must fit the following standards to be released on behalf of the Government funding;

a. Said product meets all safety standards and regulations.
b. Said products are produced under direct supervision of the Nation.

A consultation with a registered physician will be required by women to be provided these items without charge.

The consultation must meet all Medical and Healthcare Standards and Regulations.

In addition, the insertion of a Intrauterine Device shall be completed under direct medical supervision with a medical professional who meets Standards and Regulations.

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Edit: Original proposal withdrawn for drafting period.

Edit: Fixed some minor grammatical errors and separated Medicinal from Hygiene.

Edit: Revised proposal published; https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1537650295

OP, there is a suggestion on banning any pink tax that may be more feasible and legal - that way you're not interfering with corporations pricing their goods, but ensuring some level of anti-discrimination.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Don't make fun of the kid. He's trying

OOC: That's an incredibly ironic post. I suggest you don't go around calling people "kids", particularly with no knowledge of their real age.

Could say something similar to you though. Don't mock peoples work, offer constructive criticism. We get this sort of thing far too often on the forums.

[Quantipapa]

OOC: That's an incredibly ironic post. I suggest you don't go around calling people "kids", particularly with no knowledge of their real age.

Could say something similar to you though. Don't mock peoples work, offer constructive criticism. We get this sort of thing far too often on the forums.

Apart from my jibe I think I've been pretty constructive, and defending the OPs right to try. "Kid" was distasteful, and I concede that.

[Linux and the X]

I'm sorry, you want to require physician consultation for tampons?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: That's an incredibly ironic post. I suggest you don't go around calling people "kids", particularly with no knowledge of their real age.

Could say something similar to you though. Don't mock peoples work, offer constructive criticism. We get this sort of thing far too often on the forums.

OOC: Sometimes the most constructive thing you can suggest is shredding the draft.

[Frisbeeteria]

I'm amazed you submitted this again unchanged ... given that this:

I'm sorry, you want to require physician consultation for tampons?

... is utterly absurd.

[Quantipapa]

My suggestions, which are valid, was completely ignored.

[Aljazafara]

Aljazafara strongly supports this act, as it is believed that woman deserve full access to all the hygienic products they need.

[Quantipapa]

Aljazafara strongly supports this act, as it is believed that woman deserve full access to all the hygienic products they need.

At what point does "need" become uneven?

[Sterkistan]

After much deliberation, Sterkistan will not support this resolution in its current form. Various issues with the resolution have been identified in the form of;

1.

Therefore Nations shall provide women's personal hygiene and medicinal products listed free of charge regardless of income;
a. Tampons
b. Emergency Contraception Medications
c. (IUD) Intrauterine Device insertion

Such a program is economically unfeasible for any nation to undertake over a long term.
Statistics from the United States present a female adult population of 164 million as of December 2017. And a study conducted by the UN with the NHCS in 2018 presents that 39 million American women used tampons.
Additionally, the price of a box of 36 tampons is approximately $7-$9 USD. So assuming the number remains unchanged. If each female consumer from 2018 who used tampons were to get a box of tampons monthly through the plan, it would cost the United States Government $351 million dollars monthly for the program. And that is for tampons alone.
It is safe to assume nations with even larger female populations would struggle to keep up with this plan, especially if their budget is lower than the United States.
Source 1
Source 2

2.

A consultation with a registered physician will be required by women to be provided these items without charge.

Although stated above by Linux, it is an absurd point to require a consultation over a box of tampons. For the IUD it is understandable due to the fact it is a medical procedure, and it should be altered as such to make it more accessible.

3.

Understanding that some women across the world do not have access to personal hygiene and medicinal products of necessity for one of many reasons.

Realizing that these products are necessary for women.

Hoping that unnecessary pain will be avoided.

In general, would it not be fairer to provide both men and women with free hygiene products? Removing the requirement for another proposal which this will, by no doubt inspire the creation of should it pass. It's safe to assume there are men in similar situations who can't afford razors either.

Concluding, even if this proposal is fixed, unless it becomes a universally feasible option we will be AGAINST this issue.

[Kiravian WA Mission]

"I have heard it argued that governments should pay for contraceptives for poor women. Neither I, my government, nor the average citizen of my country or its neighbour agree with that claim, but there are legitimate arguments to be made. I am certain that at least somewhere for some population subsidising tampons for poor women is justifiable as a public net good. However, for the life of me, I cannot comprehend why this resolution insists that governments buy tampons for rich women."

[Araraukar]

Additionally, the price of a box of 36 tampons is approximately $7-$9 USD.

OOC: And yet women somehow end up using them anyway? And I'm sure you're not suggesting women in USA are richer than the government? Also, a lot of that price is for profits; if the tampons were a state-made product, or a product with which stores weren't allowed to make profits (but could cut even), it'd be lower. Likely much lower. Compare with how the for-profit healthcare system in USA costs tons and tons more than non-profit public healthcare in other developed nations.

[Quantipapa]

Just ban the pink tax oh my goodness. Simple as that.

[Sterkistan]

Additionally, the price of a box of 36 tampons is approximately $7-$9 USD.

OOC: And yet women somehow end up using them anyway? And I'm sure you're not suggesting women in USA are richer than the government? Also, a lot of that price is for profits; if the tampons were a state-made product, or a product with which stores weren't allowed to make profits (but could cut even), it'd be lower. Likely much lower. Compare with how the for-profit healthcare system in USA costs tons and tons more than non-profit public healthcare in other developed nations.

OOC: But then if producers were forced to cut even what's the point of making them? There needs to be an incentive for producers to make the product. And putting it into state hands would cost even more, as the state needs to purchase or build equipment to manufacture the tampons. And you seem to be focusing on me simply stating the price of the product rather than the actual point of that evaluation.

[Bears Armed]

I'm amazed you submitted this again unchanged ... given that this:

I'm sorry, you want to require physician consultation for tampons?

... is utterly absurd.

OOC
It doesn't say every time, though does it? Having a physician check that the person requesting these items actually is a woman before starting to give them this stuff at the taxpayers' expense, which I think would be enough for compliance with this, doesn't seem too unreasonable to me... Well, no more so that he basic idea that this law is "necessary", anyway,
H'mm, that's a point: Is the "free" issue of these items supposed to be limited to biological women, or is it meant for anybody who self-identifies as a woman even if they have no real [physical] need for this? And what about people who have the relevant female anatomy but who self-identify as men instead? What about (as I'm sure there must be at least one member nation in which they exist...) hermaphrodites?

[Free Tristania]

"The Commonwealth rejects the sexist entitlement expressed in this proposal and will therefore vote against it if it ever makes the floor. The idea that a certain group should get access to free products on account of their sex, is discriminatory and thus absurd." Ambassador De Jonge puts down the fountain pen he used to stress his words and sits back, shaking his head.

[Roast Pork]

Hi all, I'm new to this game and have been lurking in the forums. I hope you don't mind my sharing my views here.

I notice a few different arguments going on. For me it boils down to whether this is a form of interference on businesses. On the other hand, this is an issue that deals with the basic necessity for a woman's physical well-being, which begs the question if some protection may be useful. A repeates suggestion by one above to introduce a ban on tax on these goods may seem like a genuinely well intentioned move, but that does not stop corporations from jacking up their prices with or without a tax anyway.

Then there's the question of where this ends?

My inclination is for a subsidy, but am aware WA Nations are quite broke from the recent nuclear war. (I joined this game and then nuclear war happened. Had no idea what the heck it was all about haha. Crazy community.)

Thank you.

[Quantipapa]

Hi all, I'm new to this game and have been lurking in the forums. I hope you don't mind my sharing my views here.

I notice a few different arguments going on. For me it boils down to whether this is a form of interference on businesses. On the other hand, this is an issue that deals with the basic necessity for a woman's physical well-being, which begs the question if some protection may be useful. A repeates suggestion by one above to introduce a ban on tax on these goods may seem like a genuinely well intentioned move, but that does not stop corporations from jacking up their prices with or without a tax anyway.

Then there's the question of where this ends?

My inclination is for a subsidy, but am aware WA Nations are quite broke from the recent nuclear war. (I joined this game and then nuclear war happened. Had no idea what the heck it was all about haha. Crazy community.)

Thank you.

A pink tax ban would immediately improve things for countries that currently imposes it. That's immediate impact. Please know that progress requires baby steps, baby nation. Welcome to the WA. Be less judgemental next time.

[Sterkistan]

Hi all, I'm new to this game and have been lurking in the forums. I hope you don't mind my sharing my views here.

I notice a few different arguments going on. For me it boils down to whether this is a form of interference on businesses. On the other hand, this is an issue that deals with the basic necessity for a woman's physical well-being, which begs the question if some protection may be useful. A repeates suggestion by one above to introduce a ban on tax on these goods may seem like a genuinely well intentioned move, but that does not stop corporations from jacking up their prices with or without a tax anyway.

Then there's the question of where this ends?

My inclination is for a subsidy, but am aware WA Nations are quite broke from the recent nuclear war. (I joined this game and then nuclear war happened. Had no idea what the heck it was all about haha. Crazy community.)

Thank you.

A pink tax ban would immediately improve things for countries that currently imposes it. That's immediate impact. Please know that progress requires baby steps, baby nation. Welcome to the WA. Be less judgemental next time.

He actually makes good points. You need to stop being so 'high and mighty', he's a new player. Don't start them off by insulting them.

[Quantipapa]

A pink tax ban would immediately improve things for countries that currently imposes it. That's immediate impact. Please know that progress requires baby steps, baby nation. Welcome to the WA. Be less judgemental next time.

He actually makes good points. You need to stop being so 'high and mighty', he's a new player. Don't start them off by insulting them.

Would you consider the possibility that he insulted me first? So many ideas on this thread and the only one he picks on is mine. People need to be more civil here.

[Roast Pork]

He actually makes good points. You need to stop being so 'high and mighty', he's a new player. Don't start them off by insulting them.

Would you consider the possibility that he insulted me first? So many ideas on this thread and the only one he picks on is mine. People need to be more civil here.

Honorable leader of Quantipapa,

I apologize if I came across as insulting you. That was not my intention. In fact, I was stating for the record that your suggestion is worth considering, and that the only drawback was that would reduce government taxation, not corporate price management. I have much to learn here.

[Wallenburg]

He actually makes good points. You need to stop being so 'high and mighty', he's a new player. Don't start them off by insulting them.

Would you consider the possibility that he insulted me first? So many ideas on this thread and the only one he picks on is mine. People need to be more civil here.

Considered, investigated, and rejected. They did not. Do not make shit up.

[Quantipapa]

Would you consider the possibility that he insulted me first? So many ideas on this thread and the only one he picks on is mine. People need to be more civil here.

Considered, investigated, and rejected. They did not. Do not make shit up.

I guess people are the same on every thread.

Anyway, I will take the half baked idea that is this thread, and submit my own pink tax ban as a WA resolution soon.

[Sterkistan]

He actually makes good points. You need to stop being so 'high and mighty', he's a new player. Don't start them off by insulting them.

Would you consider the possibility that he insulted me first? So many ideas on this thread and the only one he picks on is mine. People need to be more civil here.

If you consider him giving good criticisms on your rather detailless recommendation you keep spamming through this discussion as an insult I don't know if you should write resolutions. You've got to have thick skin to write stuff like this, and if you're going to take anything anyone says as an insult then you're not going to go far.
You should feel glad someone decided to give it attention, seeing as a few posts prior you were complaining about being ignored.