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Greater Imperial Rossiya
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[DRAFT] [REPEAL] Freedom of Religion

Postby Greater Imperial Rossiya » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:21 pm

General Assembly,

Understanding that the author of the Resolution has their morals, should be commended.

However, seeing that all religion does not coincide with each culture, government, and political systems,

This Assembly must decide that a Nation has its own right to decide whether a Religion should be allowed in it's sovereign territory.

Again understanding that a Nation also has the right to allow a Religion in it's sovereign territory.

This Assembly must understand that a member nation should always have the right to do something on it's free will, also understanding that the unnecessary suffering of individuals of member states should be avoided at all cost, that the right to a religious view should not take priority.

The World Assembly should be a tool for creating a safer environment for all member states, and should not be a tool to be used as a method of pushing a political ideology onto member states that do not share the same views.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:23 pm

No thank you. I like human rights.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:26 pm

OOC: Nope. The arguments for repealing are woefully insufficient.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:26 pm

"The C.D.S.P. government would be very pleased to see religion banned. It would not be pleased to deny individuals their rights of expression, even if that expression is a distasteful one. We are opposed to this repeal based on the argument presented."

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Postby Liberimery » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:46 pm

Greater Imperial Rossiya wrote:General Assembly,

Understanding that the author of the Resolution has their morals, should be commended.

However, seeing that all religion does not coincide with each culture, government, and political systems,

This Assembly must decide that a Nation has its own right to decide whether a Religion should be allowed in it's sovereign territory.

Again understanding that a Nation also has the right to allow a Religion in it's sovereign territory.

This Assembly must understand that a member nation should always have the right to do something on it's free will, also understanding that the unnecessary suffering of individuals of member states should be avoided at all cost, that the right to a religious view should not take priority.

The World Assembly should be a tool for creating a safer environment for all member states, and should not be a tool to be used as a method of pushing a political ideology onto member states that do not share the same views.


Should it be a tool for creating a safer environment for all member states? I have a copy of the WA's stated purpose for the general assembly right here. It says, and I quote:

The General Assembly is concerned with passing international law: resolutions to improve human rights, environmental standards, and the like. They have an immediate and material effect on all WA member nations, and can change your laws and category. For example, if you are a protectionist nation, and the WA passes a resolution promoting free trade, you may find your nation becoming abruptly more capitalist.

Broadly speaking, the General Assembly does not concern itself with individual nations or regions, but humanity as a whole. It has a vibrant role-playing community in the General Assembly forum, which debates and drafts legislation.


Interesting... it seems the welfare of humanity supersedes the welfare of state in these auspicious halls of debate. So it seems that the right to ones personal religious views is in fact superior to any right of state. If you do not like that we believe in the right of the citizens to scare dictators by their dangerous ideas, you are free to go. *points to the doors*. There is the door. Although I am legally obligated to request that upon your exit that you carefully Mind it's safe closing, as it is quite heavy and prone to closing by itself due to the weight and has been known to be injurious to those who don't realize this point of fact. Having said that, I must also advise that I do wish you not take my advice. I am running out of reasons to laugh at the sudden plague of big bad mighty dictatorial states that are in fear of someone's best invisible buddy. This sorry desperate state of affairs is starting to annoy me.

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:57 am

(OOC: “Role-playing community” and “forum” are both real-world references, so can’t be used in the repeal. That said, they don’t follow the intentional format so I’m unsure if it is intended for them to be counted as part of it. Also, this seems to be very heavily Natsov.)
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Postby Russaya » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:59 am

Religion Is The Opium Of The People

Our Stalinist Government Is Against All Forms Of Religion

If Were To Build Socialism! Religion Must Be Abolished!
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Postby Prydania » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:04 pm

Greater Imperial Rossiya wrote:The World Assembly should be a tool for creating a safer environment for all member states, and should not be a tool to be used as a method of pushing a political ideology onto member states that do not share the same views.

OOC: If you do not approve of the policies of the WA you can simply not join it. Then you will no longer be bound by WA mandates.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:41 pm

This argument is purely natsov.
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Postby Quantipapa » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:57 pm

Greater Imperial Rossiya wrote:General Assembly,

Understanding that the author of the Resolution has their morals, should be commended.

However, seeing that all religion does not coincide with each culture, government, and political systems,

This Assembly must decide that a Nation has its own right to decide whether a Religion should be allowed in it's sovereign territory.

Again understanding that a Nation also has the right to allow a Religion in it's sovereign territory.

This Assembly must understand that a member nation should always have the right to do something on it's free will, also understanding that the unnecessary suffering of individuals of member states should be avoided at all cost, that the right to a religious view should not take priority.

The World Assembly should be a tool for creating a safer environment for all member states, and should not be a tool to be used as a method of pushing a political ideology onto member states that do not share the same views.


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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 29, 2018 3:00 pm

Quantipapa wrote:
Greater Imperial Rossiya wrote:General Assembly,

Understanding that the author of the Resolution has their morals, should be commended.

However, seeing that all religion does not coincide with each culture, government, and political systems,

This Assembly must decide that a Nation has its own right to decide whether a Religion should be allowed in it's sovereign territory.

Again understanding that a Nation also has the right to allow a Religion in it's sovereign territory.

This Assembly must understand that a member nation should always have the right to do something on it's free will, also understanding that the unnecessary suffering of individuals of member states should be avoided at all cost, that the right to a religious view should not take priority.

The World Assembly should be a tool for creating a safer environment for all member states, and should not be a tool to be used as a method of pushing a political ideology onto member states that do not share the same views.


Natsov. I like natsov.

OOC: Shame that GenSec doesn't, and actively stops them when submitted. ;)
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:47 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:
Natsov. I like natsov.

OOC: Shame that GenSec the game rules doesn't, and actively stops them when submitted. ;)


FTFY :)
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Postby Quantipapa » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:49 pm

Atheism is a religion.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:50 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Shame that GenSec the game rules doesn't, and actively stops them when submitted. ;)


FTFY :)

I know. ;)

Quantipapa wrote:Atheism is a religion.

Nope.
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Postby Quantipapa » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:51 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Nope.

FTFY :)

I know. ;)

Quantipapa wrote:Atheism is a religion.

Nope.

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Postby The Sheika » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:23 pm

*walks in and reads the proposed resolution*
Yeah, I don't particularly care for religion, but I'm going to need more convincing than what is presented here. Not a big fan of religion, but I support the ideal of Freedom of Religion all the same.
Quantipapa wrote:Atheism is a religion.

*turns to the Ambassador from Quantipapa*
Correction, it is not a religion. A theist believes in a supreme being or other deities while an atheist does not.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:10 pm

Quantipapa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I know. ;)


Nope.

The delegation from Quantipapa was so thrown back by the rebuttal from Ambassador Hsu that none of them could speak.
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Postby Wild mike » Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:32 pm

I'm all for freedom to worship or believe what you want but. It should never be set to which one is right and wrong. But it would almost be easier to know that out and say freedom to Express oneself.

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:22 am

Wallenburg wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Nope.

The delegation from Quantipapa was so thrown back by the rebuttal from Ambassador Hsu that none of them could speak.

OOC: Especially in light of the irony that Atheism is the national religion here. A shocking admission from Hsu that the national religion designation is facetious.
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Quantipapa » Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:40 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:The delegation from Quantipapa was so thrown back by the rebuttal from Ambassador Hsu that none of them could speak.

OOC: Especially in light of the irony that Atheism is the national religion here. A shocking admission from Hsu that the national religion designation is facetious.


Atheism is a religion.

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Postby Twilight Imperium » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:12 am

Quantipapa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Especially in light of the irony that Atheism is the national religion here. A shocking admission from Hsu that the national religion designation is facetious.


Atheism is a religion.


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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:46 am

Quantipapa wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Especially in light of the irony that Atheism is the national religion here. A shocking admission from Hsu that the national religion designation is facetious.


Atheism is a religion.

OOC: In the same way that an empty vacuum container is full. ;)
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White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby United Massachusetts » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:52 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:
Atheism is a religion.

OOC: In the same way that an empty vacuum container is full. ;)

Atheism is absolutely a religion.

The lack of a God cannot be proved, it is a matter of faith.

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Postby -Manchukuo » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:56 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:
Atheism is a religion.

OOC: In the same way that an empty vacuum container is full. ;)

Wait while I think of a response...
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:59 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: In the same way that an empty vacuum container is full. ;)

Atheism is absolutely a religion.

The lack of a God cannot be proved, it is a matter of faith.

Atheism is not a belief system, so no, as lacking a belief in a god does not necessarily entail believing that no gods exist.

But anyway, we should probably avoid turning this into an NSGeneral type of thread.
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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