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Dawn Kingdom
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Postby Dawn Kingdom » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:26 am

You can’t criticize because you don’t like the idea. If proposal is breaking some laws only then you can criticize. I don’t like the liberal ideas legislated in WA, but I do not cry about it.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:31 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can’t criticize because you don’t like the idea.

Sure we can.

Dawn Kingdom wrote:If proposal is breaking some laws only then you can criticize.

Not at all. We can scrutinize a train wreck all we want.

Dawn Kingdom wrote:I don’t like the liberal ideas legislated in WA, but I do not cry about it.

There it is again, blaming liberals for the fact that this draft proposal has been torn apart.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Aug 21, 2018 9:36 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can’t criticize because you don’t like the idea. If proposal is breaking some laws only then you can criticize. I don’t like the liberal ideas legislated in WA, but I do not cry about it.

Yes, I can, and will, criticize. The entire premise and the way it is laid out to be implemented is oppressive fascist crap. Period. The fact your nation finds this acceptable makes you suspect as well as a danger to the international community. And if pointing out what fascistic garbage this is is considered “crying”, well, boo-fucking-hoo. This is not “conservative”, this is lunacy. So stop trying to cover yourself with that blanket.

And with that, I am done with you and your oppressive regime.
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Postby Aureumterra » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:13 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can’t criticize because you don’t like the idea.

Why not?
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Postby Dawn Kingdom » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:57 am

Implementing authoritarian and fascist laws gives me more happiness than everything else in this games. Very well, if everyone agreed with each other then game would be boring. I love challenges.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 21, 2018 10:59 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:Implementing authoritarian and fascist laws gives me more happiness than everything else in this games. Very well, if everyone agreed with each other then game would be boring. I love challenges.

Lol...what? :roll:
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Postby Dawn Kingdom » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:09 am

You can criticize as much as you want. Just it is all in vain.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:11 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can criticize as much as you want. Just it is all in vain.

Not really, it is good to criticize draft proposals. ;)
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Postby Liberimery » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:14 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can’t criticize because you don’t like the idea. If proposal is breaking some laws only then you can criticize. I don’t like the liberal ideas legislated in WA, but I do not cry about it.



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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 21, 2018 1:28 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can criticize as much as you want. Just it is all in vain.

I think I speak for everyone else in this thread with this image:
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I mean, we have gone on for 5 pages and that's what he eventually comes out with? :meh:
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Postby The Sheika » Tue Aug 21, 2018 2:40 pm

*reads over the proposed draft and shakes head*
Yeah, this is going to be a solid no. I may not care for religion all that much, and I am all for the separation of church and state, but this is not even remotely workable. No tithe to churches? Really? Why? Tests of loyalty? If your citizens aren't loyal, that speaks volumes of your nation's leadership. Sad. Maybe this idea would work best for your nation, but I don't see how any of this is even close to workable on the scale of the WA.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:29 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can criticize as much as you want. Just it is all in vain.

I think I speak for everyone else in this thread with this image:
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Yeah, that pretty much covers it for me.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:32 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:I think I speak for everyone else in this thread with this image:
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Yeah, that pretty much covers it for me.

Tomorrow is another day. Perhaps it will change. But then again maybe not...
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Kisiik » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:47 pm

Weakening the authority of Churches in Faith-based nations is like making a proposal to abolish central leadership. Legitimately, there is no way this proposal can be salvaged without either devastating faithful nations or downright outlawing nonsecular nations, both of which go against previous legislation, and would simply never pass.
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Postby Kustonia » Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:56 pm

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can’t criticize because you don’t like the idea. If proposal is breaking some laws only then you can criticize. I don’t like the liberal ideas legislated in WA, but I do not cry about it.


I don't like the materialist viewpoints legislated by the WA and pushed by liberal AND communist nations, but I'm still a member. Religious zealots and representatives have the same amount of worth as everyone else in society. I don't see why religious people should be punished for having a place in society. Regulation will only increase this bipolar impulse to get rid of everyone that's not aligned to your beliefs.

Don't make me laugh, this proposal is completely ridiculous.
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Postby NewLakotah » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:19 pm

Dawn Kingdom wrote:The World Assembly,
Religion is one of the most influential force in many nations. This is a proposal do decrease faith authority to some extent.

Hereby,

1.) Influence of religious representatives must be decreased.
a) Religious authorities will be prohibited to spread hate towards minorities and social groups in the name of the faith.
b) Missionary, preaching actions that urge people to plot government ideas are prohibited.

This fundamentally goes against laws against ideological bans.
Dawn Kingdom wrote:2.) New firm legislations must be passed in places of worship.
a) Religious representatives cannot publicly mock government's actions without good reason and argumentation.
b) Collecting money from citizens in religious means will be prohibited.
c) Goverment will manage places of worship's funds and expenses, by that faith will be solely dependent of the goverment.

Limitation of the expression of Free Speech with no apparent reason other than religion.
Even if it is voluntary
Dawn Kingdom wrote:3.) Using police force
a) If policeman/policewoman is bribed by faith representative, he/she will be immediately relieved from his/her duties.
b) Goverment must start annual cheching of families to determine their loyalty to the nation. However this doesn't concer children under 14, citizens with mental illness, elders over the age of 90 and citizens who are in the hospital for health issues.

Category - Political Stability

Strenght - Significant

Soo, I haven't proposed it yet, I just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. Constructive criticism is appreciated.

a) is understandable, but entirely unrelated to this whole proposal as a whole and speaks more to corruption within the department rather than weakening faith's authority.
b)What does this have to do with religion or anything?


This whole proposal is ridiculous and preposterous. An obvious vote against.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:41 pm

I like the idea of separating religion and politics, but your means of doing so are terrible and I don't see how they would achieve the objective.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:05 pm

It's been 5 pages I think there must be a serious edit as to eliminate biases and reamains acceptable for nations

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Postby Dawn Kingdom » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:13 am

I like how most of you cry about this proposal because it is “inhuman”. It is just perfect. I am so proud of myself that I came up with this. You can continue your whining while I will improve my work. Too bad dictators aren’t really in this forum, but I read that some people like the basic of this idea, so thanks.

P.S. Human rights activists can continue whining, it is my amusement.

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Postby Bananaistan » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:45 am

OOC: Still illegal and still a terrible idea. Give it up.
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Postby Liberimery » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:20 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:I like how most of you cry about this proposal because it is “inhuman”. It is just perfect. I am so proud of myself that I came up with this. You can continue your whining while I will improve my work. Too bad dictators aren’t really in this forum, but I read that some people like the basic of this idea, so thanks.

P.S. Human rights activists can continue whining, it is my amusement.


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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:39 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:I like how most of you cry about this proposal because it is “inhuman”. It is just perfect. I am so proud of myself that I came up with this.

ROFL. The thing is a mess, a fucking train wreck. But if you want to be proud of a disaster, then I'll let you be you. :roll:

Dawn Kingdom wrote:You can continue your whining while I will improve my work.

Improvement? Huh. Where?

Dawn Kingdom wrote:Too bad dictators aren’t really in this forum, but I read that some people like the basic of this idea, so thanks.

The vast vast vast majority of feedback to this has been overwhelmingly negative.

Dawn Kingdom wrote:P.S. Human rights activists can continue whining, it is my amusement.

Cool. People here will continue ripping it to shreds. I actually think the poor feedback is affecting you more than you are letting on. Take a break.
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Pointing their plastic finger at me
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But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Dawn Kingdom » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:12 am

The New California Republic wrote: Cool. People here will continue ripping it to shreds. I actually think the poor feedback is affecting you more than you are letting on. Take a break.

Wow, you are really overpowering influence of your whinny comments.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:26 am

Dawn Kingdom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote: Cool. People here will continue ripping it to shreds. I actually think the poor feedback is affecting you more than you are letting on. Take a break.

Wow, you are really overpowering influence of your whinny comments.

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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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