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Rename "Furtherment of Democracy"

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:19 am

Furtherment isn't a word. Advancement, however, is. Let's rename the category to reflect what words are in fact used in our language, and call it "Advancement of Democracy".
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:01 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Furtherment isn't a word. Advancement, however, is. Let's rename the category to reflect what words are in fact used in our language, and call it "Advancement of Democracy".

Both are bad. They imply political rights are inherently democratic, and it suggests anything not involving a vote belongs elsewhere.

Advancement of Political Freedoms is better, but too close to the statistic name. Advancement of Political Liberties?

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Postby Bears Armed » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:24 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Furtherment isn't a word.
There's RL precedent for its use, and some dictionaries seem to recognise it. I wouldn't necessarily object to a change, but wouldn't consider one to be a high priority.

(And it's a better word [in appropriate contexts] than "incentivize" & "disincentivize", which I've seen people use in this forum, anyway: Can't we ban the use of those terms? ;) )
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:37 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Furtherment isn't a word.
There's RL precedent for its use, and some dictionaries seem to recognise it. I wouldn't necessarily object to a change, but wouldn't consider one to be a high priority.

(And it's a better word [in appropriate contexts] than "incentivize" & "disincentivize", which I've seen people use in this forum, anyway: Can't we ban the use of those terms? ;) )

Those words are recognized by every dictionary I've seen. Furtherment is not.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:05 am

Bah. “Democracy” is overrated anyhow. No info sheep voting for who has the best quips in sound bites, or because of which party they belong to. I would estimate upwards of 80 to 90% of voters pay zero attention to actual issues and just vote based on party, sound bites, and manufactured image.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:01 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Furtherment isn't a word. Advancement, however, is. Let's rename the category to reflect what words are in fact used in our language, and call it "Advancement of Democracy".

Both are bad. They imply political rights are inherently democratic, and it suggests anything not involving a vote belongs elsewhere.

Advancement of Political Freedoms is better, but too close to the statistic name. Advancement of Political Liberties?

Political Liberty on it's own would work.

I think this is a silly objection though. It's only notably absent in Oxford. Maybe it's just not common in the land of tea and crumpets.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:28 pm

Whose idea was to put a word not in the dictionary

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:23 pm

Yes, BS on that Aclion. Its not even in the dictionary of a guy who clearly couldn’t spell: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/furtherment

It’s only really in those online dictionaries that anyone can contribute to.

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Postby Bananaistan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:50 pm

Meh. I'm not opposed but I do not see the word "furtherment" as a major problem. We all know what it means in this context.
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Postby Hesskin Empire » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:52 pm

I would also think we should change it from "democracy" to "freedoms"? or something like that? I have always heard and used furtherment as a word but if it isn't than I would say Advancement would be good
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:08 pm

Political Rights or Political Freedoms would both be acceptable alternatives, I think.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:10 pm

Double plus good. It doesn't matter, just anything that doesn't trip my spell checker :P

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Postby JohnnyandtheContusions » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:15 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Furtherment isn't a word. Advancement, however, is. Let's rename the category to reflect what words are in fact used in our language, and call it "Advancement of Democracy".

Both are bad. They imply political rights are inherently democratic, and it suggests anything not involving a vote belongs elsewhere.

You're confusing elections with democracy. Many countries hold "elections" but in fact are not democratic at all. True democratic freedom involves actually giving the people a voice in how their country and society are run, including freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to protest, the right to organize, the right to petition the government, etc., etc., etc. I think it's always been understood that FoD has never been limited to elections or electoral power; getting particular about the meaning of the word "democracy" helps no one here.

edit: posted with wrong nation. ~Kenny
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Postby Aclion » Sun Aug 19, 2018 4:34 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Yes, BS on that Aclion. Its not even in the dictionary of a guy who clearly couldn’t spell: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/furtherment

It’s only really in those online dictionaries that anyone can contribute to.

Huh, I specifically checked that one, hence the tea and crumpets remark. Still prescriptivism is bunk. People are using this word, therefore it is one.
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Postby Dirty Americans » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:49 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:Those words are recognized by every dictionary I've seen. Furtherment is not.


It is covered in "Wictionary" Wikipedia's dictionary. Not that it matters much. :p

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Postby Liberimery » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:02 am

JohnnyandtheContusions wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:Both are bad. They imply political rights are inherently democratic, and it suggests anything not involving a vote belongs elsewhere.

You're confusing elections with democracy. Many countries hold "elections" but in fact are not democratic at all. True democratic freedom involves actually giving the people a voice in how their country and society are run, including freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to protest, the right to organize, the right to petition the government, etc., etc., etc. I think it's always been understood that FoD has never been limited to elections or electoral power; getting particular about the meaning of the word "democracy" helps no one here.

edit: posted with wrong nation. ~Kenny



The term for such countries is illeberal democracies. They have democracy but not liberty. Perhaps then the new term should be Advancement of Liberty?

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:11 am

Advancement of political rights?

I do agree we should be using real words though, otherwise I want my gargleflip protecting, regulations on womble-blankets and freedom to snarg in a non-threatening mannor.
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Postby Liberimery » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:15 am

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Advancement of political rights?

I do agree we should be using real words though, otherwise I want my gargleflip protecting, regulations on womble-blankets and freedom to snarg in a non-threatening mannor.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:23 am

Or even 'advancement of political openness,' or 'reducing barriers to political participation,' though that's long-winded
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Postby Thyerata » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:43 am

I've just typed the word "furtherment" into MS Word. The dictionary doesn't accept it
However, I have tried the word "furtherance". That word is accepted in the dictionary. Might I suggest that we use "furtherance" instead?
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