by Huffingshire » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:18 am
by Huffingshire » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:22 am
by Zone 71 » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:38 am
by Aclion » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:11 am
by South Artheria » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:19 am
Huffingshire wrote:The World Assembly,
Noting how guns and other firearms can end lives and cause mortal pain,
Observing that there have been successful efforts into regulating these dangerous weapons, Where?
Seeing how newly made Artificially Fabricated guns, usually printed from "3D printers" cause a risk to gun safety as a whole, due to the lack of expense and required material,
Observing that these new, artificial guns, which can be produced easily and quickly without expense, pose a risk to worldwide safety as a whole,
Determined to preserving the safety and well-being of every person in this world,
Hereby,
For consumer and personal safety:
I: Enacts that all "3D Printed" Firearm Templates and Weapons be subject to regulation and a safety background check before sent to the consumer,
II: Enacts that all Artificially made Firearms be only sold from trusted sellers, who will perform mandatory background checks upon every purchase,
III: Enacts that all Airports begin a mandatory search in their baggage check, noting on how artificial firearms cannot be detected under conventional metal detectors,Every single bag, one by one. Ineffective and one of the largest invasions of privacy I’ve seen in a bill like this for a while. If there could be a reasonable replacement for this, great.
IV: Enacts that all Artificially made weapons when produced from commercial companies and enterprises, be subject to a testing of firearm safety, to prove that they
will then be ready for consumers to use and handle, and, for the continued safety of the consumer when using the firearm, must be printed from high quality resin,
For Commercial Regulation and safety:
V: That all Artificially made firearms be sustained and regulated to a fire rate of no more than 30 rounds a minute,
VI: That all printed guns be marked with a mandatory, universal symbol, which will identify printed firearms, What type of symbol? A star? A couch? A chicken?
VII: That 3D gun templates, downloadable online, require the downloadee to state a reasonable amount of identification so that firearms can be tracked and monitored to a significant degree,
Finishing,
VIII: That all laws regarding firearms and their use apply to this law just as this law applies to them.
Noting, again, that all people in this wide world deserve adequate safety, just as all gun owners require adequate freedoms for the choice and use of their guns,
The World Assembly does herebyproposeenact The Regulation of 3D Printed Firearms Act.
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:28 am
by Grays Harbor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:03 pm
by Snowman » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:13 pm
Grays Harbor wrote:I would venture that the overwhelmingly vast majority of 3D printed "guns" are actually props used for TV/Movie/Theater productions, reenactors, and cosplayers. There is also considerably more to making a functional weapon than just printing it out as well. This is nothing more than a panic-induced , ill informed "feelgood" proposal so a few people can pat themselves on the back at how they "did something".
by Liberimery » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:08 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:23 pm
Liberimery wrote:The simple solution of banning weapons made without metal parts or made to defeat metal detectors is a simpler solution than an unwieldy ban of a practice that is by and large difficult to track and regulate. It is my understanding that by all other metrics plastic firearms are inferior to their metallic counterparts. Additionally, the production of home made metallic fire arms is cheaper and more reliable than 3D printing one. The only advantage is now firearms can be smuggled past metal detectors. Require that a legal gun must have a metallic firing pin, and then we have a reliable way to prevent these guns from entering harden spaces. Beyond that, I cannot see how a restriction on manufacture covers violations not already covered by the law.
by Xelsis » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:27 pm
by Aclion » Wed Aug 01, 2018 12:09 am
Xelsis wrote:"Artificially made" firearms, Ambassador? Without a definition, one wonders what other category there might be. To the best knowledge of our people, at the least, firearms do not grow freely in nature or reproduce after their own kind."
by Grays Harbor » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:27 am
Aclion wrote:Xelsis wrote:"Artificially made" firearms, Ambassador? Without a definition, one wonders what other category there might be. To the best knowledge of our people, at the least, firearms do not grow freely in nature or reproduce after their own kind."
I could make the argument that volcanoes are firearms.
by The New California Republic » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:02 pm
Huffingshire wrote:II: Enacts that all Artificially made Firearms be only sold from trusted sellers, who will perform mandatory background checks upon every purchase,
IV: Enacts that all Artificially made weapons when produced from commercial companies and enterprises, be subject to a testing of firearm safety, to prove that they will then be ready for consumers to use and handle, and, for the continued safety of the consumer when using the firearm, must be printed from high quality resin,
V: That all Artificially made firearms be sustained and regulated to a fire rate of no more than 30 rounds a minute,
Huffingshire wrote:VI: That all printed guns be marked with a mandatory, universal symbol, which will identify printed firearms
by Terra Novae Libero » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:55 pm
by Aclion » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:16 pm
by Teretstein » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:20 pm
III: Enacts that all Airports begin a mandatory search in their baggage check, noting on how artificial firearms cannot be detected under conventional metal detectors,
by Araraukar » Thu Aug 02, 2018 3:31 am
Huffingshire wrote:PS: THIS IS NOT A GUN CONTROL DEBATE. REPEAT. THIS IS. NOT A GUN CONTROL DEBATE THREAD. THANK YOU.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Huffingshire » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:46 am
by The New California Republic » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:56 am
Huffingshire wrote:Should I revise the bill to focus solely on Section III, and improve to make it fair for all?
by Teretstein » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:12 am
The New California Republic wrote:Huffingshire wrote:Should I revise the bill to focus solely on Section III, and improve to make it fair for all?
OOC: So then the proposal would solely be about checking bags in airports for weapons that cannot be detected by X-ray machines? What type of weapon would be undetectable to them, as even plastic knives show up on a scan? Hell, even organic matter shows up on a scan. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding on your part as to how airport X-ray machines function...
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:23 am
by Grays Harbor » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:46 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Huffingshire wrote:Should I revise the bill to focus solely on Section III, and improve to make it fair for all?
OOC: So then the proposal would solely be about checking bags in airports for weapons that cannot be detected by X-ray machines? What type of weapon would be undetectable to them, as even plastic knives show up on a scan? Hell, even organic matter shows up on a scan. There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding on your part as to how airport X-ray machines function...
by Kenmoria » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:30 am
“Whilst this idea isn’t completely unsalvageable, it does require heavy editing to be palpable to most member states. It by far isn’t the worst idea I’ve ever seen pass these hallowed halls, but requires a lot of feedback to work well.”Huffingshire wrote:The World Assembly, Category? Strength?
Noting how guns and other firearms can end lives and cause mortal pain,
Observing that there have been successful efforts into regulating these dangerous weapons, There should be a line break before this clause.
Seeing how newly made Artificially Fabricated guns, usually printed from "3D printers" cause a risk to gun safety as a whole, due to the lack of expense and required material, All guns are artificially fabricated, since all guns are made by a sapient being or robot at some point.
Observing that these new, artificial guns, which can be produced easily and quickly without expense, pose a risk to worldwide safety as a whole,These guns are not “without expense”, as they still cost something to make, albeit not much.
Determined to preserving the safety and well-being of every person in this world, Which world? The World Assembly has members on thousands of planets.
Hereby,
For consumer and personal safety:
I: Enacts that all "3D Printed" Firearm Templates and Weapons be subject to regulation and a safety background check before sent to the consumer,
II: Enacts that all Artificially made Firearms be only sold from trusted sellers, who will perform mandatory background checks upon every purchase, All firearms are artificially made, so this doesn’t have anything to do with 3D printing.
III: Enacts that all Airports begin a mandatory search in their baggage check, noting on how artificial firearms cannot be detected under conventional metal detectors, No. This would be logistically impossible in pretty much any airports due to the vast time and human resources this would take.
IV: Enacts that all Artificially made weapons when produced from commercial companies and enterprises, be subject to a testing of firearm safety, to prove that they
will then be ready for consumers to use and handle, and, for the continued safety of the consumer when using the firearm, must be printed from high quality resin, You have now gone for mandating things for all artificially made weapons, which means that your firearm safety checks will also apply to swords and axes. This is also hard to read due to odd formatting,
For Commercial Regulation and safety:
V: That all Artificially made firearms be sustained and regulated to a fire rate of no more than 30 rounds a minute, Once again, you have just restricted the firing rate of all firearms.
VI: That all printed guns be marked with a mandatory, universal symbol, which will identify printed firearms, How will printing them with a symbol that would only be visible from close-up help anyone? Also, what symbol?
VII: That 3D gun templates, downloadable online, require the downloadee to state a reasonable amount of identification so that firearms can be tracked and monitored to a significant degree,Any amount of information that can be used to track someone down will not be “reasonable” and will be very insecure to send online. Also, “downloadee” is not a word.
Finishing,
VIII: That all laws regarding firearms and their use apply to this law just as this law applies to them. What does this actually mean?
Noting, again, that all people in this wide world deserve adequate safety, just as all gun owners require adequate freedoms for the choice and use of their guns,
The World Assembly does hereby propose The Regulation of 3D Printed Firearms Act. No, it does not. The World Assemnly passes legislation, it does not propose ideas to member states.
(OOC: Section III makes little sense due to 3D printed weapons still showing up on X-ray and various other detection methods, they only evade one piece of security - metal detectors.)Huffingshire wrote:Should I revise the bill to focus solely on Section III, and improve to make it fair for all?
by Aclion » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:39 am
Grays Harbor wrote:This whole thing is a non-issue, raised to panic levels by misinformed, ill-informed, or outright lying anti-gun folks.
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