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(DRAFT) Illegal Crab Fishing Act

Postby Likar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:47 am

The World Assembly,

Shocked over the large amount of illegal fishing taking part in international waters

Concerned about the growing numbers of extinct crabs due to human activity

Hereby,

DEFINES the following for the purpose of the resolution:
>Illegal fishing takes place when vessels or harvesters operate in violation of the laws of a fishery. This can apply to fisheries that are under the jurisdiction of a coastal state or to high seas fisheries regulated by regional fisheries management organizations

Limits fishing of crabs only above 8 pounds and crabs that are under 8 inches.

Urges governments to pass more laws, preventing illegal crab fishing
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:18 pm

I don't see anything here actually dealing with illegal crab fishing. All I see is a mandate that member states prohibit fishing of large crabs.
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Postby Likar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:21 pm

Wallenburg wrote:I don't see anything here actually dealing with illegal crab fishing. All I see is a mandate that member states prohibit fishing of large crabs.

Added something to fix that.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:23 pm

Likar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:I don't see anything here actually dealing with illegal crab fishing. All I see is a mandate that member states prohibit fishing of large crabs.

Added something to fix that.

Umm...no you didn't. Of course criminals will go to trial, we have a resolution for that. If you really want to fight illegal crab fishing, you should put something together that aids in enforcing existing crab fishing regulations.
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Postby Likar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:45 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Likar wrote:Added something to fix that.

Umm...no you didn't. Of course criminals will go to trial, we have a resolution for that. If you really want to fight illegal crab fishing, you should put something together that aids in enforcing existing crab fishing regulations.

Do you have any suggestions for the current resolution though?
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:50 pm

Likar wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Umm...no you didn't. Of course criminals will go to trial, we have a resolution for that. If you really want to fight illegal crab fishing, you should put something together that aids in enforcing existing crab fishing regulations.

Do you have any suggestions for the current resolution though?

Perhaps some investigative agency to aid in uncovering the trade of illegal hauls? IDK, I'm not familiar with crab fishing. I like the originality of the topic, but I can't really write the proposal for you. All I can say is that you'll need something more effective than this to get other GA regulars to support it.
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Postby Likar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:53 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Likar wrote:Do you have any suggestions for the current resolution though?

Perhaps some investigative agency to aid in uncovering the trade of illegal hauls? IDK, I'm not familiar with crab fishing. I like the originality of the topic, but I can't really write the proposal for you. All I can say is that you'll need something more effective than this to get other GA regulars to support it.

Good idea. but lets hear from others
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Postby Kiravian WA Mission » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:29 pm

The Mission welcomes a resolution to protect the world's crab populations, and would like to propose the following additions:

- A clause that places a limit on the number of mature female crabs that may be harvested per unit of male crabs, e.g. 5 mature female crabs for every bushel of male crabs.

- Full prohibition on the harvest of female crabs from vulnerable populations and/or species.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:42 pm

OOC: Firstly, illegal crab fishing is by definition illegal. That is, the people who do it, are ignoring the laws on it. So passing more laws to make it more illegal (your Urges clause) won't help at all.

Secondly, we have at least one resolution on fishing, another on hunting and more than one on endangered (which includes endagering) animals. Have you read all of them? Because I'm fairly sure that if you're trying to secure the crabs' breeding by size restrictions, that's already covered.

Also, 8 pound crabs? Since when have you seen a shrimp that big???
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:57 pm

Araraukar wrote:Also, 8 pound crabs? Since when have you seen a shrimp that big???

https://oceana.org/marine-life/cephalop ... -king-crab
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:01 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Araraukar wrote:Also, 8 pound crabs? Since when have you seen a shrimp that big???

https://oceana.org/marine-life/cephalop ... -king-crab

OOC: King crab =/= shrimp. My point was that restricting it simply by weight would ban the fishing of any crustacean species that doesn't grow that big.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:03 pm

Araraukar wrote:

OOC: King crab =/= shrimp. My point was that restricting it simply by weight would ban the fishing of any crustacean species that doesn't grow that big.

OOC: I read it as restricting it to below that limit. Either way, it's a strange regulation.
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:30 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: King crab =/= shrimp. My point was that restricting it simply by weight would ban the fishing of any crustacean species that doesn't grow that big.

OOC: I read it as restricting it to below that limit.

OOC: Well in that case it would only do any good for species that grow that big. And would encourage crabs to be fished away before they reach maturity.

I think the proposal writer has watched too many episodes of Deadliest Catch.
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Postby Crazybloxian Empire » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:16 am

Well, this is very incomplete, and I think this ain’t worthy of the WA’s time. I don’t wanna waste precious WA resolution voting time. Overall I OPPOSE this.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:39 am

This seems incredibly "one-size-fits-nothing" for any sort of proposal. You do understand there is more than a single species of crab, and those crab species come in all manner of sizes, and that mandating a single one-size-fits-all standard cannot possibly work. You would need (as in RL), separate standards for each species. And there is not sufficient room in a proposal to do that, and may count as RW references anyhow. (King Crab vs Dungeness vs Blue Crab. All crabs, all edible, all wildly disparate in size. How can a single standard apply to all three, for example?)
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:00 am

Grays Harbor wrote:(King Crab vs Dungeness vs Blue Crab. All crabs, all edible, all wildly disparate in size. How can a single standard apply to all three, for example?)

OOC: Don't forget the oyster crab! They're adorable. And apparently a delicacy. :lol:
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Artorrios wanders back in from the Strangers' Bar.
"an attempt to the limit the sizes at which crabs can be caught, hrr'rrm?" he asks. "Not trying to limit the catching of trilobites, too, are they?"
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(includes The Ursine NorthLands) Demonym = Bear[s]; adjective = ‘Urrsish’.
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Bears Armed wrote:Artorrios wanders back in from the Strangers' Bar.
"an attempt to the limit the sizes at which crabs can be caught, hrr'rrm?" he asks. "Not trying to limit the catching of trilobites, too, are they?"

The Chief Inshpekshuuner briefly rubbed against the bear's leg in a way of greeting. "If try-low-bites don't grow bigger than they says, then no. Is a very silly law." He paused for a moment and then looked up at Arr-bear. "Is try-low-bites good noms?"
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Bears Armed wrote:Artorrios wanders back in from the Strangers' Bar.
"an attempt to the limit the sizes at which crabs can be caught, hrr'rrm?" he asks. "Not trying to limit the catching of trilobites, too, are they?"

The Chief Inshpekshuuner briefly rubbed against the bear's leg in a way of greeting. "If try-low-bites don't grow bigger than they says, then no. Is a very silly law." He paused for a moment and then looked up at Arr-bear. "Is try-low-bites good noms?"

Artorrios carefully avoids thinking about his people's usual reaction to kittens, and looks down at the Chief Inshpekshuuner with a friendly expression.
"They are indeed," he replies. "Next time that I'm in the Bar, I'll tell the staff there to let you have a small one on my Mission's tab."
The Confrederated Clans (and other Confrederated Bodys) of the Free Bears of Bears Armed
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Population = just under 20 million. Economy = only Thriving. Average Life expectancy = c.60 years. If the nation is classified as 'Anarchy' there still is a [strictly limited] national government... and those aren't "biker gangs", they're traditional cross-Clan 'Warrior Societies', generally respected rather than feared.
Author of some GA Resolutions, via Bears Armed Mission; subject of an SC resolution.
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Postby WA Kitty Kops » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:28 am

Bears Armed wrote:Artorrios carefully avoids thinking about his people's usual reaction to kittens, and looks down at the Chief Inshpekshuuner with a friendly expression.
"They are indeed," he replies. "Next time that I'm in the Bar, I'll tell the staff there to let you have a small one on my Mission's tab."

"Yeay! And you can has a bowl of cream if you likes, Neville knows whose tab," the cat offered generously.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:57 am

Araraukar wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:(King Crab vs Dungeness vs Blue Crab. All crabs, all edible, all wildly disparate in size. How can a single standard apply to all three, for example?)

OOC: Don't forget the oyster crab! They're adorable. And apparently a delicacy. :lol:

OOC: Hnh. Can't say I've ever tried that one.
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