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[D] Repeal "World Assembly Central Library Compact"

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:58 am

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Repeal "World Assembly Central Library Compact"
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This august World Assembly,

Reminding itself that (i) legislation passed by the World Assembly cannot be amended or changed, only repealed, and that any correction of the problems noted in the target resolution would first require passing a repeal, and (ii) there are no real good reasons to keep redundant legislation around,

Recalling GA 78 “Universal Library Coalition”, creates a “library” accepting “submissions from individual nations” and promoting “cultural awareness by permitting the creation of [a exchange network] to house a rotating collection of literary works provided by other … nations”,

Observing that the target resolution is extremely similar to GA 78 in this regard, except with a single physical location that people may visit to store documents,

Believing that the size of this Assembly, currently on the order of over twenty thousand nations, means that it is impossible for a single location to be feasible due to the realities of distance and travel time,

Concerned that a single location also creates a single point of failure, which could be dangerous if this library were destroyed or attacked, creating significant risk for its contents, and

Seeking to reduce redundancy and risk, hereby:

Repeals GA 397 “World Assembly Central Library Compact”.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:59 am

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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:55 am

(OOC: Not even a day of drafting? Whilst it may be legal from a rules standpoint to submit seven proposals at once without any drafting, it is not very respectful or accepted. If this had been drafted, minor issues could have been pointed out and the board wouldn't have been flooded with one-post topics.)
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:09 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Not even a day of drafting? Whilst it may be legal from a rules standpoint to submit seven proposals at once without any drafting, it is not very respectful or accepted. If this had been drafted, minor issues could have been pointed out and the board wouldn't have been flooded with one-post topics.)

IA has in the past quite explicitly stated his opinion that community standards don't apply to him. Seeing as the GA community continues to approve and vote for his proposals, it would seem that it is "accepted", at least to some degree.
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Postby The United Royal Islands of Euramathania » Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:16 am

Wallenburg wrote:Against.

We thank our Wallenberg colleagues personally and sincerely, for their support of the preservation of important cultural heritage. We hope that the World Assembly sees fit to reject this resolution and uphold the importance of preservation.
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Postby Kranostav » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:00 pm

The target resolution does in fact create an unreasonable location to store various items of importance which is not only impossible to maintain with the size of the WA, but also create an unneeded target for its effective uselessness.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:10 pm

Kranostav wrote:The target resolution does in fact create an unreasonable location to store various items of importance which is not only impossible to maintain with the size of the WA, but also create an unneeded target for its effective uselessness.

It's useful to nations who don't have internet access. Though certainly not ideal, I don't think WACLC should be repealed."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:12 pm

Can’t pay for Internet access. But can pay for flights across the galaxy to go to the central library. What an argument.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:18 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Can’t pay for Internet access. But can pay for flights across the galaxy to go to the central library. What an argument.

Past-tech nations, I'm referring to.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:20 pm

Yea, flying to the central library is cheaper than flying to the nearest Internet cafe?

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:22 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Can’t pay for Internet access. But can pay for flights across the galaxy to go to the central library. What an argument.

No amount of money can build Internet infrastructure in a nation without Internet. One magic portal to the WA later, and you can walk to the library.
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Yea, flying to the central library is cheaper than flying to the nearest Internet cafe?

Do you know what past-tech means?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:23 pm

One magic portal to the WA, you can walk to the Internet cafe in Headquarters. And you still don’t have Library of Alexandria level concentration OR the issue hat nowhere in the resolution does ot day that the Central Library is at the WAHQ.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:44 pm

This resolution doesn't require there be only one library. Why not just, in one resolution, allow for different branches of the library to be built?

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:04 pm

Proposal uses words like A and Central. But now there are lots of decentralised libraries? I guess it should have been called Many Decentralised Libraries Compact.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:13 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Proposal uses words like A and Central. But now there are lots of decentralised libraries? I guess it should have been called Many Decentralised Libraries Compact.

Doesn't say we can't :P

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Postby Kranostav » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:50 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Proposal uses words like A and Central. But now there are lots of decentralised libraries? I guess it should have been called Many Decentralised Libraries Compact.

Doesn't say we can't :P

The library is refereed to as a singular location throughout the entire proposal. To assume it to be anything other than that is rather disingenuous.
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Postby The United Royal Islands of Euramathania » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:59 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Recalling GA 78 “Universal Library Coalition”, creates a “library” accepting “submissions from individual nations” and promoting “cultural awareness by permitting the creation of [a exchange network] to house a rotating collection of literary works provided by other … nations”,

Seeing that the target resolution does these exact same things, except with a single physical location that people may visit to store documents,


I wish to also note that it does the following as well:
-Restoring & Replicating older written works, which may have become damaged with age,
-Collecting new & informative written works for archival purposes,
-Displaying rare, unique, or important works from nations,


Further, the goal of the library isn’t limited access to literary works but should in fact be seen a celebration of the arts of literacy. A central library showcases the value the world Assembly places on the ideals. The central library serves as a physical symbol to all those not apart of the WA, that we place amongst our highest values, that of culture and literacy. Alone this would probably be fine, but halfway through the debate, we realized the greater mission the library was able to serve and adjusted the resolution accordingly.

Mandates that WA Nations seek to preserve and, wherever possible, restore the historic & cultural written works of their nation, which may have become damaged through age;

Further, Requires all WA nations adopt standards governing the preservation, restoration, and security of historical, cultural, or important written works;


These two sections become invalid when this is repealed loosing the guiding work of the library. And are unique in WA law. Without them great works, and culture may be lost or damaged beyond repair. Whether intentionally or not.

As mentioned in the preamble to the WACLC, the work of preserving written works requires space. By creating a central library we allow those nations lacking in facilities to share in a common one. This issue was debated at length in the original debate prior to the law being voted on.

WA 78 is great for democratizing and providing access to information across the World Assembly. However, that is only as good as having those materials in the first place. Without some manner to restore and protect older works, they would be unsafe for digitizing — thus rendering moot the work of the ULC. Further one cannot restore what has already been lost, thus making the preservation aspect even more crucial.
Mandates, that in order to achieve these goals, that the ULC be tasked with:
- Collecting & Preserving written texts as donated by entities to the WACLC, and when applicable returning original texts to their donor,
- Providing for the storage & security of written works;
- Creating replicated copies of works which may not be stable enough for public handling,
- Comparing digital copies of works to original written works to prevent tampering,
- Restoring & Repairing, at fair cost, written texts, at the request of donor entities;


In this manner WA 78 and WA 397 are complementary and help enhance the work of the other. They are not duplication, nor should one be seen as more valued than the other. It is working in tandem the system functions best.
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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Believing that the size of this Assembly, currently on the order of over twenty thousand nations, means that it is impossible for a single location to be feasible due to the realities of distance and travel time,


This too was addressed during the debate and provided for in the WACLC.
Mandates that the Office of Building Management (OBM) locate suitable land(s) and/or a planet, in international territory on which to build the WACLC, which shall:
- Have adequate access to transportation to & from the WACLC & WA Nations,
- Be sufficiently large enough to include for future expansion(s) of the WACLC,
- Ensure necessary protection against fire, natural elements, or other natural phenomena;


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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Concerned that a single location also creates a single point of failure, which could be dangerous if this library were destroyed or attacked, creating significant risk for its contents, far exceeding the baseline,and

Seeking to reduce redundancy and risk


I will again emphasize serveral critical components of the law which mitigate and alleviate the risks contemplated here:
(1) ensuring protection against fire and natural elements — would in my opinion include fires originating from the attack.
(2) the replication of written works, as mentioned several places
(3) the security and storage of written works, as mentioned (which would account for the attack on the written works themselves)
(4) the retention of ownership by donors, combined with the replication, provides a means for members to have replicated a written work that could then be donated to the physical shelves, while the original remains with the owner or secured in the library itself

Finally, a last point, is that all of this extra complimentary work is done not out of taking funds directly from the WA dues, but from the generosity of member states committed to the work. The Anglican people need only comply with preservation of their works, in order to comply with WACLC. There is no redundancy in that. Everything else, is, as mentioned before, a celebration of the written work, and designed to elevate, and protect that ideal.
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Postby Alkasia » Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:47 am

This repeal is wholly unnecessary, and the delegation from the United Royal Islands makes it abundantly clear how the WACLC provides benefit to the nations and people of the world and acts as a tribute to the written word. To undo a fine institution like this would only be to the detriment of the world community.

Alkasia implores the other Delegates of the World Assembly to not approve this proposal and let it fade into irrelevance. If this were to make it to quorum, we strongly advise a vote AGAINST and will cast ours the same.
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OOC: For, which should by most previous examples mean that IA will vote against his own proposal. :P
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:43 pm

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:41 pm

"Based on the response and detailed criticism given by The United Royal Islands of Euramathania delegation, we find ourselves against this proposal. On another note, what would happen to the library were GA 78 repealed?"
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Postby The United Royal Islands of Euramathania » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:26 am

Kenmoria wrote:"Based on the response and detailed criticism given by The United Royal Islands of Euramathania delegation, we find ourselves against this proposal. On another note, what would happen to the library were GA 78 repealed?"

Happily, nothing. First, as the committees exist separately from the proposals they are founded in, I merly empowered existing bodies within the WA to provide for the work of maintaining this project. Second, it is in violation of the ruleset to create legislation which requires the existence of another law to function. In this manner WACLC was designed as a compliment and extend the impact of GA78, but it’s work is important on its own terms and stands separate.
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:11 am

The United Royal Islands of Euramathania wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:"Based on the response and detailed criticism given by The United Royal Islands of Euramathania delegation, we find ourselves against this proposal. On another note, what would happen to the library were GA 78 repealed?"

Happily, nothing. First, as the committees exist separately from the proposals they are founded in, I merly empowered existing bodies within the WA to provide for the work of maintaining this project. Second, it is in violation of the ruleset to create legislation which requires the existence of another law to function. In this manner WACLC was designed as a compliment and extend the impact of GA78, but it’s work is important on its own terms and stands separate.

That makes this repeal useless then. Even if its arguments were valid, passing them would do nothing, beneficial or otherwise, to impact member states. The only thing repealing GA #78 would do is stop the restoration work the WACLC does on valuable books.
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Postby International Dispatch Archive » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:32 pm

For obvious reasons, we support no proposal that works against libraries.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:16 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: Not even a day of drafting? Whilst it may be legal from a rules standpoint to submit seven proposals at once without any drafting, it is not very respectful or accepted. If this had been drafted, minor issues could have been pointed out and the board wouldn't have been flooded with one-post topics.)

IA has in the past quite explicitly stated his opinion that community standards don't apply to him. Seeing as the GA community continues to approve and vote for his proposals, it would seem that it is "accepted", at least to some degree.

(OOC: Well, it appears that this was just too far from the common standards to be acceptable. This is based on the fact that all seven of IA’s proposals, this one included, failed to even reach quorum. Hopefully, next time, the community’s ideals might be adhered to.)
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