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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:31 am

Circulation of World Assembly Law
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Category: Education and Creativity || Area of Effect: Educational || Proposed by: Wallenburg

Aware that compliance with World Assembly laws relies upon popular understanding of national and international law,

Valuing prompt and appropriate publication of newly enacted national and international legislation,

Recognizing the benefits of a well-informed populace,

Wishing to inform the general public on all matters of World Assembly law,

The World Assembly,

  1. Requires member nations to make available to all their inhabitants the text of World Assembly resolutions,

  2. Urges member states to include information on particularly important World Assembly resolutions in their public education curriculum, and thorough education on all facets of World Assembly legislation in publicly funded legal education,

  3. Recommends that member nations encourage all inhabitants to seek an understanding of World Assembly law, especially if it directly affects their lives,

  4. Tasks a World Assembly Law Dissemination Service, hereafter referred to as WALDS, with the publication of World Assembly resolutions, and with the timely dissemination of these publications to inhabitants of member states,

    1. The WALDS shall oversee the dissemination of publications such as law books of previously passed resolutions, public notices of newly enacted resolutions and repeals, and commentary of ambassadors and other relevant public figures familiar with World Assembly law,

    2. These publications shall include the text of passed resolutions and resolutions at vote, analytical and contextual commentary on their clauses, their effects on member states and their inhabitants, and any other information the WALDS considers relevant to its audiences,
  5. Advises the WALDS to negotiate and cooperate with national publishers and news media in order to reduce costs, delegate responsibility, and increase efficacy of its publications,

  6. Mandates the free passage of agents of the WALDS to and from member states in order to carry out their duties, subject to any standard border safety measures not related to their status as World Assembly employees,

  7. Also mandates that member states allow the WALDS to negotiate and cooperate with public and private publishers and news media operating within their borders, with the consent of said organizations.
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:31 am

Circulation of World Assembly Law
Category: Education and Creativity || Area of Effect: Educational || Proposed by: Wallenburg

Aware that compliance with World Assembly laws relies upon popular understanding of national and international law,

Valuing prompt and appropriate publication of newly enacted national and international legislation,

Recognizing the benefits of a well-informed populace,

Wishing to inform the general public on all matters of World Assembly law,

The World Assembly,

  1. Requires member nations to make available to all their inhabitants the text of World Assembly resolutions,

  2. Urges member states to include information on particularly important World Assembly resolutions in their public education curriculum, and thorough education on all facets of World Assembly legislation in publicly funded legal education,

  3. Recommends that member nations encourage all inhabitants to seek an understanding of World Assembly law, especially if it directly affects their lives,

  4. Tasks a World Assembly Law Dissemination Service, hereafter referred to as WALDS, with the publication of World Assembly resolutions, and with the timely dissemination of these publications to inhabitants of member states,

    1. The WALDS shall oversee the dissemination of publications such as law books of previously passed resolutions, public notices of newly enacted resolutions and repeals, and commentary of ambassadors and other relevant public figures familiar with World Assembly law,

    2. These publications shall include the text of passed resolutions and resolutions at vote, analytical and contextual commentary on their clauses, their effects on member states and their inhabitants, and any other information the WALDS considers relevant to their audiences,
  5. Advises the WALDS to negotiate and cooperate with national publishers and news media in order to reduce costs, delegate responsibility, and increase efficacy of its publications,

  6. Mandates the free passage of agents of the WALDS to and from member states in order to carry out their duties, subject to any standard border safety measures not related to their status as World Assembly employees,

  7. Also mandates that member states allow the WALDS to negotiate and cooperate with public and private publishers and news media operating within their borders, with the consent of said organizations.
Circulation of World Assembly Law
Category: Education and Creativity || Area of Effect: Educational || Proposed by: Wallenburg

Aware that compliance with World Assembly laws relies upon popular understanding of national and international law,

Valuing prompt and appropriate publication of newly enacted national and international legislation,

Recognizing the benefits of a well-informed populace,

Wishing to inform the general public on all matters of World Assembly law,

The World Assembly,

  1. Requires member nations to make available to all their inhabitants the text of World Assembly resolutions, and to include information on particularly important World Assembly resolutions in their public education curriculum,

  2. Further requires member states to include thorough education on all facets of World Assembly legislation in publicly funded legal education,

  3. Recommends that member nations to encourage all inhabitants to seek an understanding of World Assembly law, especially if it directly affects their lives,

  4. Tasks a World Assembly Law Dissemination Service, hereafter referred to as WALDS, with the publication of World Assembly resolutions, and with the timely dissemination of these publications to inhabitants of member states,
    • The WALDS shall oversee the dissemination of publications such as law books of previously passed resolutions, public notices of newly enacted resolutions and repeals, and commentary of ambassadors and other relevant public figures familiar with World Assembly law,
    • These publications shall include the text of passed resolutions and resolutions at vote, analytical and contextual commentary on their clauses, their effects on member states and their inhabitants, and any other information the WALDS considers relevant to their audiences,
  5. Advises the WALDS to negotiate and cooperate with national publishers and news media in order to reduce costs, delegate responsibility, and increase efficacy of its publications,

  6. Mandates the free passage of agents of the WALDS to and from member states in order to carry out their duties, subject to any standard border safety measures not related to their status as World Assembly employees,

  7. Also mandates that member states allow the WALDS to negotiate and cooperate with public and private publishers and news media operating within their borders, with the consent of said organizations.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:49 am

OOC: I realize I'm jumping right into OOC debate here, but I can't figure out how to discuss this ICly without sounding like a total tool. There's little reason to study RL international law in detail in many jurisdictions. Even in law school. Is it really necessary to do ICly?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:35 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I realize I'm jumping right into OOC debate here, but I can't figure out how to discuss this ICly without sounding like a total tool. There's little reason to study RL international law in detail in many jurisdictions. Even in law school. Is it really necessary to do ICly?

OOC: Plenty of good World Assembly legislation isn't really "necessary". Even so, there exists a clear benefit in increasing public awareness of World Assembly law. And while not all law students will take interest in international law, including the World Assembly in the international curriculum benefits those who do take interest in international law.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:17 pm

Wallenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I realize I'm jumping right into OOC debate here, but I can't figure out how to discuss this ICly without sounding like a total tool. There's little reason to study RL international law in detail in many jurisdictions. Even in law school. Is it really necessary to do ICly?

OOC: Plenty of good World Assembly legislation isn't really "necessary". Even so, there exists a clear benefit in increasing public awareness of World Assembly law. And while not all law students will take interest in international law, including the World Assembly in the international curriculum benefits those who do take interest in international law.

(OOC: If not all law students will take interest in international law, I would argue it is not justified to require there to be education on all facets of World Assembly legislation. While there exists a benefit in making the study of WA law available to law students, I don’t believe it is necessary to force it to mandatorily be taught.)
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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:50 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: Plenty of good World Assembly legislation isn't really "necessary". Even so, there exists a clear benefit in increasing public awareness of World Assembly law. And while not all law students will take interest in international law, including the World Assembly in the international curriculum benefits those who do take interest in international law.

(OOC: If not all law students will take interest in international law, I would argue it is not justified to require there to be education on all facets of World Assembly legislation. While there exists a benefit in making the study of WA law available to law students, I don’t believe it is necessary to force it to mandatorily be taught.)

OOC: That doesn't make any sense. That a few people don't care about a certain subject does not mean it is not worth educating people on that subject. I don't care about botany, and yet I still think that universities would do well to offer courses in botany.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:12 pm

He's referring to clause 2 (currently "Further requires member states to include thorough education on all facets of World Assembly legislation in publicly funded legal education"). You're not mandating the offering of courses on anything related to WA law, you're mandating that people take courses on "all facets" of WA law.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:16 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:He's referring to clause 2 (currently "Further requires member states to include thorough education on all facets of World Assembly legislation in publicly funded legal education"). You're not mandating the offering of courses on anything related to WA law, you're mandating that people take courses on "all facets" of WA law.

No I'm not.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:17 pm

Yes, you are.

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:21 pm

OOC: Would a change of wording to something such as "Further requires member states to make available thorough education on all facets of World Assembly legislation in publicly funded legal education," make the meaning of the clause clearer?
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:24 pm

Yup.

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:00 am

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There's already a resolution that requires member nations to inform their peoples about their national laws.
GA resolutions take effect in the member nations through or as national laws.
That being the case, would this proposal really do enough to be worth considering?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:25 pm

OOC:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
There's already a resolution that requires member nations to inform their peoples about their national laws.

But not WA law.
GA resolutions take effect in the member nations through or as national laws.
That being the case, would this proposal really do enough to be worth considering?

Yes, as WA mandates then have a direct impact on national law. How can anyone understand that impact without understanding the cause?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:31 am

"We question Clause One.

Requires member nations to make available to all their inhabitants the text of World Assembly resolutions, and to include information on particularly important World Assembly resolutions in their public education curriculum,


As much as it seems like a good idea, and would certainly work in United Massachusetts' public schools (which continue until the age of 21 before mandatory college-level education, much of which is public), we question its efficacy in states with less of a focus on education. We are told that in other nations, there is limited curriculum time in a work-preparatory public school system as employed by the majority of nations (we work around this problem by having the robots do as much of our work as possible, and mandating lifelong learning). Thus we doubt that some curicula have the time to sufficiently cover such material.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:55 pm

Wallenburg wrote:OOC:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
There's already a resolution that requires member nations to inform their peoples about their national laws.

But not WA law.
GA resolutions take effect in the member nations through or as national laws.
That being the case, would this proposal really do enough to be worth considering?

Yes, as WA mandates then have a direct impact on national law. How can anyone understand that impact without understanding the cause?

The best argument you could make is that if national legal systems are trying to skirt the mandates of the WA then the only way for people to be able to hold their national governments to account for this is by informing them of WA law as it is actually written rather than the warped view pushed down to them through their national governments. The problem of course is that you're still relying on the national government to push down the actual WA law, so in the end I think Bears' point is the better one.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:16 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:The best argument you could make is that if national legal systems are trying to skirt the mandates of the WA then the only way for people to be able to hold their national governments to account for this is by informing them of WA law as it is actually written rather than the warped view pushed down to them through their national governments. The problem of course is that you're still relying on the national government to push down the actual WA law, so in the end I think Bears' point is the better one.

OOC: Any WA resolution will, to some extent or another, rely on national governments to enforce it. I can't really do anything about that. As it is, this proposal's committee already has broad powers to inform citizens of WA nations independently through their own publications.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:48 am

Any further discussion? I will take silence as tacit approval.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:54 am

"In clause 3, either the 'that' or the 'to' needs to be removed, it is incorrect to have both. Also, how would clause 1 relate to nations that have purely private schools?"
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:32 am

Kenmoria wrote:"In clause 3, either the 'that' or the 'to' needs to be removed, it is incorrect to have both.

Thanks for the catch. Will fix. :)
Also, how would clause 1 relate to nations that have purely private schools?"

Since the second part of clause 1 applies solely to public schools, private education would not be required to change their curriculum. The member state would still have to follow through with their responsibilities in the first part.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Aug 06, 2018 11:57 pm

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: How can anyone understand that impact without understanding the cause?

OOC: Tell me, how many of RLUN resolutions did you cover in your basic RL public education? We went over the basic human rights declarations, because they have been ratified and thus written into national laws. The OOC process of WA membership bypasses the ratification requirement and the ingame message says "laws have been enacted to bring (nation) into compliance with resolution (resolution name)". I don't see how that could refer to international laws instead of national ones.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:00 pm

Edits made. Educational reforms are now urged, not required.
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:19 pm

Anything else, or have I written an even more fabulous draft than anything by SP?
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Postby Thyerata » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:21 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I realize I'm jumping right into OOC debate here, but I can't figure out how to discuss this ICly without sounding like a total tool. There's little reason to study RL international law in detail in many jurisdictions. Even in law school. Is it really necessary to do ICly?


OOC: States still maintain and archive of, and publish, the international treaties that they are signatory to, regardless of whether or not they're studied in law school
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:09 am

Thyerata wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: I realize I'm jumping right into OOC debate here, but I can't figure out how to discuss this ICly without sounding like a total tool. There's little reason to study RL international law in detail in many jurisdictions. Even in law school. Is it really necessary to do ICly?


OOC: States still maintain and archive of, and publish, the international treaties that they are signatory to, regardless of whether or not they're studied in law school

OOC: Except that isn't what the proposal relegates itself to.

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