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[ABANDONED] Universal Age of Majority

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Fra Lice
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[ABANDONED] Universal Age of Majority

Postby Fra Lice » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:16 pm

The World Assembly,

Addressing that there are multiple resolutions dealing with minors;

Defining minors as sapiens under the age of majority;

Addressing that the age of majority is loose and undefined other than what the member state chooses to have as the age of majority;

Speculating that a member state could define the age of majority as whatever they wish, allowing for the abuse of current child protection laws;

Hereby mandates that
1. All member states, for the purpose of legality and legality only, recognize the age of twenty-one (21) as the universal age of majority.
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Postby Fra Lice » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:51 pm

Mentoka wrote:You seriously need to stop and read not only the rules, but all previously passed legislation. This has already been legislated upon. What you are doing is spamming.


I could not find anything that established this other than laws that had it loosely defined, and a person trying to dip into this should not have to read over 400 laws...

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:56 pm

Fra Lice wrote:
Mentoka wrote:You seriously need to stop and read not only the rules, but all previously passed legislation. This has already been legislated upon. What you are doing is spamming.


I could not find anything that established this other than laws that had it loosely defined, and a person trying to dip into this should not have to read over 400 laws...

Yes, you should, because there is no reason to duplicate what has been done.

Read the rules and guidelines. They are pegged at the top of the page.

Stop throwing spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. That is spamming this forum.

Follow other drafts to get a clue how it is done.

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:58 pm

Fra Lice wrote:minors as sapiens

I'm not entirely sure the Urrsish delegation would exactly take kindly to that one, either...

In other terms, I understand that decisions on ages of majority are left to member states (c.f. GA#299 "Legal Competence," also an Urrsish proposal). Tinhampton is ICly (and OOCly) AGAINST this resolution, as per D-A Smith's veto (he cites his "belief that the World Assembly should not involve itself with such inexplicable red tape").
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:25 pm

"Ambassador, there are sound, good reasons for the World Assembly to leave this question in the hands of member nations. Especially in poorer countries, people well below the age of 21 Earth years are voting, running their households, and conducting business as adults. Meanwhile in other places the man-children are pushing 30! A one-size-fits-all mandate like this most often winds up fitting nobody. And that's before we even start talking to the Bears."

"In short, Ambassador, I'm afraid this would be a complete non-starter, even if it didn't contradict existing legislation - which it does."
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:05 pm

1) Important
2) 21 is a terrible choice, even for humans.

EDIT: nvm, thank you Tinny
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Postby Jebslund » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:29 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Ambassador, there are sound, good reasons for the World Assembly to leave this question in the hands of member nations. Especially in poorer countries, people well below the age of 21 Earth years are voting, running their households, and conducting business as adults. Meanwhile in other places the man-children are pushing 30! A one-size-fits-all mandate like this most often winds up fitting nobody. And that's before we even start talking to the Bears."

"In short, Ambassador, I'm afraid this would be a complete non-starter, even if it didn't contradict existing legislation - which it does."


"To build on the Sierra Lyricalia delegation's point, Jebslunden reach adulthood in 15 years. By that, I refer to adulthood as the Fra Lice delegation seems to understand it. We Kerbals grow up somewhat faster than you humans, and live much, much longer if not killed. Your resolution would have us hold them back from the rights and responsibilities of adulthood for six years on the off-chance that some human nation decides to try to skirt child protection laws by setting an unrealistically low age of majority?

And what of member species which take longer to develop? Would you have toddlers whose parents have no authority over them because they remain in that stage until age 30 or 40? Would you have infants whose parents cannot get them insured in those nations which have not chosen to embrace universal healthcare because, at 21, they are no more developed than you were at six months of age? A species whose 21-year-olds are more like 10-year-olds would have a field day with their children having to work because the WA decided 21 is the age of majority, no exceptions."
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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:46 am

Fra Lice wrote:Hereby mandates that
1. All member states, for the purpose of legality and legality only, recognize the age of twenty-one (21) as the universal age of majority.

OOC: Aside from what has already been pointed out (that you're in violation of the contradiction rule), why the hell would you put it at 21? Only 15 RL nations have it at 21. (Also only one state and one unincorporated territory of USA.) The vast majority of RL nations have it at 18. So even if you only wanted to legislate for the human species, Real Life suggests that 18 would be more sensible than 21.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:03 am

Araraukar wrote:
Fra Lice wrote:Hereby mandates that
1. All member states, for the purpose of legality and legality only, recognize the age of twenty-one (21) as the universal age of majority.

OOC: Aside from what has already been pointed out (that you're in violation of the contradiction rule), why the hell would you put it at 21? Only 15 RL nations have it at 21. (Also only one state and one unincorporated territory of USA.) The vast majority of RL nations have it at 18. So even if you only wanted to legislate for the human species, Real Life suggests that 18 would be more sensible than 21.

[OOC: I speculate either drinking age (21 in the US) or out of a half-remembered thing on brain development (which would actually, in humans, put it somewhere around 25, IIRC)]
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Postby Fra Lice » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:52 am

OOC: My thinking was a compromise between drinking age, the most common age of majority, and mental development for humans. 21 felt like a pretty good middle number.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:44 am

Fra Lice wrote:OOC: My thinking was a compromise between drinking age, the most common age of majority, and mental development for humans. 21 felt like a pretty good middle number.

Ooc: understandable but unworkable. Keep trying, though.

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