[ABANDONED] Repeal GA#9

[Fra Lice]

Members of the General Assembly,

For a decade this resolution has plagued the world and prevented quick and simple ends in long wars, and has put unreasonable restrictions on intelligence agencies. Instead, the World Assembly must repeal this resolution and replace it with proper laws. The use of torture can allow governments to acquire information which can be used to expedite a war or lead to events in which a war is unnecessary and prevented in the first place. In addition to this, should a sovereign nation not be allowed to conduct a war how it wishes? If the World Assembly limits what a nation can do in the event of a war, we prevent nations on both sides of the war from being allowed to end the war by any means necessary, thus creating much longer and bloodier wars. The modern world must move away from bloody wars on the land to wars containing smarter and more thought-out attacks on other nations, be it through cyber-warfare or assassination. These are the methods of warfare that will save the lives of the soldiers who fight for the sovereignty of their home nations every single day.

For the preservation of rights of sovereign nations, and a reduction in the deaths of soldiers, please, vote to repeal this nonsensible resolution.

DECLARES torture as "intentionally inflicting pain, severe discomfort or suffering on a person for the purposes of intimidation, coercion, personal punishment or interrogation, or to extract information, confession or concession to demands from them or any other person, where committed with the approval or assistance of a government official or person acting in such capacity" (GA#9).

ARGUES torture is a necessary evil in modern warfare for extraction of information.

ARGUES torture prevents the mass loss of life on the battlefield.

PROTECTS national sovereignty in how a nation conducts their own wars.

NOTES that the legislation is a decade old, and is outdated.

NOTES that modern warfare is no longer fought on the ground as much as it once was.

[The Unfounded]

"Illegal and opposed."

[Fra Lice]

"Illegal and opposed."

There.

[Isla Bucanero]

I see you are getting ahead of the curve by torturing us with terrible legislation. Let me give you a few pieces of advice. You need to repeal GA 9 before you can draft a replacement. You should look over some previous repeal efforts and structure your proposal more like those. Also you will probably fail to repeal the torture ban and you will definitely fail to legalize torture in every WA member.

[Fra Lice]

I see you are getting ahead of the curve by torturing us with terrible legislation. Let me give you a few pieces of advice. You need to repeal GA 9 before you can draft a replacement. You should look over some previous repeal efforts and structure your proposal more like those. Also you will probably fail to repeal the torture ban and you will definitely fail to legalize torture in every WA member.

I edited it to be only the repeal of GA#9.

Also, how would one go about the reinstatement of a piece of legislation?

[Isla Bucanero]

Yeah just do what the people beneath me said.

[Araraukar]

OOC: If the "declares" bit is a quote from the resolution, mark it as such, because right now it looks like an active clause definition, which would make this illegal for legislating in a repeal.

I'm not an expert on that but I think you could just take the text of the old resolution and resubmit it.

OOC: Only if you want to get thrown out of the WA for plagiarism.

[Jebslund]

I'm not an expert on that but I think you could just take the text of the old resolution and resubmit it. You probably should draft it first though even if that process isn't illegal the resolution was repealed for a reason.

[OOC: You don't. You write a new resolution to do what the old one did. What you just suggested is plagiarism and can get the nation caught doing it banned from the WA on the FIRST offense.]

[Isla Bucanero]

Sorry about that I'm a bit new to this.

[Fra Lice]

I'm not an expert on that but I think you could just take the text of the old resolution and resubmit it. You probably should draft it first though even if that process isn't illegal the resolution was repealed for a reason.

[OOC: You don't. You write a new resolution to do what the old one did. What you just suggested is plagiarism and can get the nation caught doing it banned from the WA on the FIRST offense.]

OOC: So I basically make the same resolution but in my own words?

[Araraukar]

OOC: So I basically make the same resolution but in my own words?

OOC: You would still likely get kicked out for plagiarism. "Making the same with my own words" is pretty much the definition of plagiarism. Direct quoting counts as plagiarism under the rules, of course as well. (You can quote the target resolution in repeals, but not new legislation.)

Perhaps you could explain OOCly, in your own words, NOT IN A PROPOSAL why you think that torture should be allowed? Because that will make it easier to understand why you want to repeal this.

[Jebslund]

Sofia Kerman rises. "Opposed. Torture rarely, if ever, produces new or useful information, as victims of torture are either trained to resist and deceive, as all soldiers of Jebslund are, or will, in their pain, invent whatever fiction they believe their torturers wish to hear in order to make the pain stop. It is also usually the case that the victims simply never knew the information they were being tortured for, resulted in wasted time and manpower. Dreicht Nicht-Kerman kept extensive records of his use of torture and the results it bore, and abandoned its use not long before he was replaced as Emperor.".

[OOC: A full look is forthcoming, but this passage

Members of the General Assembly,

For a decade this resolution has plagued the world and prevented quick and simple ends in long wars, and has put unreasonable restrictions on intelligence agencies. Instead, the World Assembly must repeal this resolution and replace it with proper laws. The use of torture can allow governments to acquire information which can be used to expedite a war or lead to events in which a war is unnecessary and prevented in the first place. In addition to this, should a sovereign nation not be allowed to conduct a war how it wishes? If the World Assembly limits what a nation can do in the event of a war, we prevent nations on both sides of the war from being allowed to end the war by any means necessary, thus creating much longer and bloodier wars. The modern world must move away from bloody wars on the land to wars containing smarter and more thought-out attacks on other nations, be it through cyber-warfare or assassination. These are the methods of warfare that will save the lives of the soldiers who fight for the sovereignty of their home nations every single day.

For the preservation of rights of sovereign nations, and a reduction in the deaths of soldiers, please, vote to repeal this nonsensible resolution.

is either an illegal preamble (Proposal Basics and Formatting. Namely, proposals must be written as laws, not as suggestions or speeches, and must be written from the point of view of the WA as a whole, not as a speech being given to the WA.) or a misplaced draft.]

[The Unfounded]

"Illegal and opposed."

There.

"Still opposed."

[Fra Lice]

"After deliberation, I have been convinced that the resolution should stand. I hereby revoke my repeal."

[Bears Armed]

I'm not an expert on that but I think you could just take the text of the old resolution and resubmit it. You probably should draft it first though even if that process isn't illegal the resolution was repealed for a reason.

[OOC: You don't. You write a new resolution to do what the old one did. What you just suggested is plagiarism and can get the nation caught doing it banned from the WA on the FIRST offense.]

Unless you actually get the permission from the original author, given somewhere where it can be seen (preferably in this forum), to do so.