[Abandoned] A resolution to improve equality in the world

[Araraukar]

I said that no one should live under the poverty line

OOC: But you're mandating that everyone be paid the same. A single-parent-with-a-job family with 5 children is going to have very different spending needs from a single person living alone. Same for if you're an elderly person with many medical issues compared to young healthy adult.

EDIT: should i just cancel it because i think it just wont work?

Going at it by limiting income is the wrong approach.

[Marxist Germany]

I said that no one should live under the poverty line

OOC: But you're mandating that everyone be paid the same. A single-parent-with-a-job family with 5 children is going to have very different spending needs from a single person living alone. Same for if you're an elderly person with many medical issues compared to young healthy adult.

EDIT: should i just cancel it because i think it just wont work?

Going at it by limiting income is the wrong approach.

So how can i improve it?

[Bananaistan]

Eh?

OOC: "Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation, as long as they are willing to contribute to the society should not be paid less or more than other people just because their contribution is different". Or are we now allowed to say things that would contradict existing legislation in the preamble?

OOC: How does this contradict COCR?

EDIT: should i just cancel it because i think it just wont work?

Perhaps this would be for the best. Mandating anything to do with domestic taxation is contradiction of GAR#17. The usual advice is to take part in debates on other players drafts to start off and get to know the GA, its rules and passed resolutions first.

[Araraukar]

OOC: How does this contradict COCR?

OOC: Everyone equal before law. Not everyone willing to contribute being more equal than the others.

[Bananaistan]

OOC: How does this contradict COCR?

OOC: Everyone equal before law. Not everyone willing to contribute being more equal than the others.

OOC: I don't get it.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: Everyone equal before law. Not everyone willing to contribute being more equal than the others.

OOC: I don't get it.

He meant that i said that everyone willing to contribute is equal not "everyone"
And i changed that

[Marxist Germany]

END OF THREAD.

[Marxist Germany]

I will just make a new thread with the same resolution topic but have a different implementation method and reasons

[Marxist Germany]

The World Assembly,

Applauding the continued efforts of it's members to reduce the wealth gaps and increase welfare spending;

Noting that the world has been descending into complete inequality and extreme wealth gaps;

Believing that the wealth gaps between the poor and rich should be reduced;

Further believing that all sapients are born equal;

Aware that a lot of people are living under the poverty line when there are people owning massive sums of money;

Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation should be earning as much as they need not more or less;

Seeking however, to stop these wealth gaps from growing even bigger;

1. Restricts income to a person's needs;

2. Implements tax credits for the poor:
2.1. For low-wage families
2.2. Child tax credits;

3. Closes tax loopholes that wealthy people are using to avoid taxation;

4. Identifies and tears down the systemic barriers that people face because of race, ethnicity, language, and immigration status;

5. Helps low-income youth and adults access employment and training opportunities that lead to economic success;

6. Ensures that everyone, including low-wage working families and single adults, have access to basic health and nutrition;

7. Improves unemployment insurance:
7.1 helps workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own to avoid falling into poverty.

[Jebslund]

OOC: This could have been posted as a new draft of the old one...

[Jebslund]

I will just make a new thread with the same resolution topic but have a different implementation method and reasons

OOC: You could have simply put the one currently in the OP of this thread under a spoiler and posted a new draft above said spoiler.

[Marxist Germany]

OOC: This could have been posted as a new draft of the old one...

The old one was a bit messy so this time changes will be specified

[Jebslund]

OOC: This could have been posted as a new draft of the old one...

The old one was a bit messy so this time changes will be specified

OOC: Doesn't matter. It still should have been posted as a new draft, not a new thread, as I described in the other thread.

[Marxist Germany]

The old one was a bit messy so this time changes will be specified

OOC: Doesn't matter. It still should have been posted as a new draft, not a new thread, as I described in the other thread.

Should i post it back in the old thread?

Edit: is this better than the last one

[Jebslund]

OOC: Doesn't matter. It still should have been posted as a new draft, not a new thread, as I described in the other thread.

Should i post it back in the old thread?

Edit: is this better than the last one

OOC: Yes, then post in the Merge thread requesting this one and that be merged. Don't forget to change the old thread's title back.

[Araraukar]

1. Restricts income to a person's needs;

OOC: That would prevent you from saving money to do anything (larger purchases, going on a holiday, money in bank to be able to get a loan) or have a "rainy day" fund for when your computer breaks down (or car or leg or pancreas). I've been there and it sucks. This is still not the way to go.

2. Implements tax credits for the poor:
2.1. For low-wage families

And these tax credits do what?

2.2. Child tax credits;

I didn't realize you could tax children. Is that like VAT? And do the parents pay it or does it come out of the children's allowance?

3. Closes tax loopholes that wealthy people are using to avoid taxation;

...how? And what if poor people are using the same loopholes?

4. Identifies and tears down the systemic barriers that people face because of race, ethnicity, language, and immigration status;

Systemic barriers such as...?

5. Helps low-income youth and adults access employment and training opportunities that lead to economic success;

In ways such as...?

6. Ensures that everyone, including low-wage working families and single adults, have access to basic health and nutrition;

Already done by better resolutions.

7. Improves unemployment insurance:

What's that? Like, literally, what is "unemployment insurance"?

7.1 helps workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own to avoid falling into poverty.

How?

[Jebslund]

1. Restricts income to a person's needs;

OOC: That would prevent you from saving money to do anything (larger purchases, going on a holiday, money in bank to be able to get a loan) or have a "rainy day" fund for when your computer breaks down (or car or leg or pancreas). I've been there and it sucks. This is still not the way to go.

2. Implements tax credits for the poor:
2.1. For low-wage families

And these tax credits do what?

2.2. Child tax credits;

I didn't realize you could tax children. Is that like VAT? And do the parents pay it or does it come out of the children's allowance?

3. Closes tax loopholes that wealthy people are using to avoid taxation;

...how? And what if poor people are using the same loopholes?

4. Identifies and tears down the systemic barriers that people face because of race, ethnicity, language, and immigration status;

Systemic barriers such as...?

5. Helps low-income youth and adults access employment and training opportunities that lead to economic success;

In ways such as...?

6. Ensures that everyone, including low-wage working families and single adults, have access to basic health and nutrition;

Already done by better resolutions.

7. Improves unemployment insurance:

What's that? Like, literally, what is "unemployment insurance"?

7.1 helps workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own to avoid falling into poverty.

How?

OOC: To speak nothing of the fact that resolutions can't mess with internal taxation and RL references are against proposal rules.

[Imperium Anglorum]

If you're going to give a one-liner to a quote wall, at least spoiler it.

[Jebslund]

If you're going to give a one-liner to a quote wall, at least spoiler it.

Imperium, I neither know nor care why you have a hate boner for me, but this following me around on GA picking at every miniscule thing needs to stop. Especially when, half the time, you're condescendingly wrong.

[Marxist Germany]

I guess I'll have to learn more about making laws in this game before posting one Lol.
Period.
End of thread.

[Araraukar]

If you're going to give a one-liner to a quote wall, at least spoiler it.

Imperium, I neither know nor care why you have a hate boner for me, but this following me around on GA picking at every miniscule thing needs to stop. Especially when, half the time, you're condescendingly wrong.

OOC: Yeah, but if you're just going to reply to a longer post with a one-liner, spoiler the long post, or snip the text from it.

I guess I'll have to learn more about making laws in this game before posting one Lol.
Period.
End of thread.

OOC: I also suggest learning more about making laws, period.

EDIT: Hang around, partake other people's drafting threads, ask questions, roleplay an ambassador (or not, up to you), you'll learn without realizing it.

[Terra Novae Libero]

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant

The World Assembly,

Applauding the continued efforts of it's members to reduce the wealth gaps and increase welfare spending;

Noting that the world has been descending into complete inequality and extreme wealth gaps;

Believing that the wealth gaps between the poor and rich should be reduced;

Further believing that all sapients are born equal;

Aware that a lot of people are living under the poverty line when there are people owning massive sums of money;

Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation should be earning as much as they need not more or less;

Seeking however, to stop these wealth gaps from growing even bigger;

1. Restricts income to a person's needs;

2. Implements tax credits for the poor:
2.1. For low-wage families
2.2. Child tax credits;

3. Closes tax loopholes that wealthy people are using to avoid taxation;

4. Identifies and tears down the systemic barriers that people face because of race, ethnicity, language, and immigration status;

5. Helps low-income youth and adults access employment and training opportunities that lead to economic success;

6. Ensures that everyone, including low-wage working families and single adults, have access to basic health and nutrition;

7. Improves unemployment insurance:
7.1 helps workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own to avoid falling into poverty.

“This resolution would inflict misery through mandated mismanagement, would violate private property and subsidarity, and contradict previous resolutions. Let it be known that Terra Novae Libero stands against this both in principle and in fact.”

-Francis Johnson, ambassador to the World Assembly

[Uan aa Boa]

It would be a wonderful thing if systemic barriers to equality could be torn down, everyone given access to education, training, healthcare and nutrition and those facing adversity saved from poverty. A resolution, however, needs to state the steps to be taken to realise those objectives. It's not enough just to state the end goals and assume that some mysterious force will select the correct policies.