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[Abandoned] A resolution to improve equality in the world

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[Abandoned] A resolution to improve equality in the world

Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:45 am

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant

The World Assembly,

Applauding the continued efforts of it's members to reduce the wealth gaps and increase welfare spending;

Noting that the world has been descending into complete inequality and extreme wealth gaps;

Believing that the wealth gaps between the poor and rich should be reduced;

Further believing that all sapients are born equal;

Aware that a lot of people are living under the poverty line when there are people owning massive sums of money;

Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation should be earning as much as they need not more or less;

Seeking however, to stop these wealth gaps from growing even bigger;

1. Restricts income to a person's needs;

2. Implements tax credits for the poor:
2.1. For low-wage families
2.2. Child tax credits;

3. Closes tax loopholes that wealthy people are using to avoid taxation;

4. Identifies and tears down the systemic barriers that people face because of race, ethnicity, language, and immigration status;

5. Helps low-income youth and adults access employment and training opportunities that lead to economic success;

6. Ensures that everyone, including low-wage working families and single adults, have access to basic health and nutrition;

7. Improves unemployment insurance:
7.1 helps workers who lose their jobs through no fault of their own to avoid falling into poverty.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:14 am

(OOC: At present, this breaks two rules: firstly, your intended category doesn't actually exist, a list of available categories can be found in the link above; and secondly, you don't have a clause that has an effect. Defining, addressing and declaring don't count as active clauses. However, well done for posting your daft here and not immediately submitting it, like some new players do.)
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 6:19 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: At present, this breaks two rules: firstly, your intended category doesn't actually exist, a list of available categories can be found in the link above; and secondly, you don't have a clause that has an effect. Defining, addressing and declaring don't count as active clauses. However, well done for posting your daft here and not immediately submitting it, like some new players do.)

Thank you for replying i changed the clauses and the category, now you can tell me if it is worth sending to the General assembly?
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:18 am

I will post it on the general assembly proposals because i think i fixed the broken rules
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:28 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: At present, this breaks two rules: firstly, your intended category doesn't actually exist, a list of available categories can be found in the link above; and secondly, you don't have a clause that has an effect. Defining, addressing and declaring don't count as active clauses. However, well done for posting your daft here and not immediately submitting it, like some new players do.)

Thank you for replying i changed the clauses and the category, now you can tell me if it is worth sending to the General assembly?
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:29 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Thank you for replying i changed the clauses and the category, now you can tell me if it is worth sending to the General assembly?
Most proposals are drafted for weeks or months before submission, I recommend waiting for this time period before submitting it, so that others can comment.

Ok
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Postby Jebslund » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:23 am

[OOC: Notes in blue.]

Marxist Germany wrote:Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant

The World Assembly,

Applauding the continued efforts of it's members to reduce the wealth gaps and increase welfare spending;

Noting that the world has been descending into complete capitalism and extreme wealth gaps; Eh... You're kinda flirting with the Ideological Ban rule here.

Believing that the wealth gaps between the poor and rich should be reduced;

further believing that all humans are born equal; The word you want is Sapients. Several member nations (including my own and one of the GENSEC (Bears Armed) are inhabited completely (Bears Armed) or primarily (My own Jebslund) by nonhumans. This isn't a legality thing so much as a quibble someone was going to bring up sooner or later.

Aware that a lot of people are living under the poverty line recently and/or have not enough money to even buy a single meal;

Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation, as long as they are willing to contribute to the society should not be paid less or more than other people just because their contribution is different;


Seeking however, to stop these wealth gaps from growing even bigger;

1. Restricts a maximum wealth gap that a nation can reach; Metagaming. Resolutions cannot directly mention/affect gameside stats

3. Mandates that no one should live under the poverty line "Should" and "Mandates" do not go together. Drop the "should" and clean up the wording a bit.

4. Urges members to reduce the gaps between incomes in both public and private sector;

5. Clarifies that nothing in this resolution shall be interpreted as prohibiting the World Assembly from legislating in the future on Income equality.


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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:32 am

Jebslund wrote:[OOC: Notes in blue.]

Marxist Germany wrote:Category: Social Justice
Strength: Significant

The World Assembly,

Applauding the continued efforts of it's members to reduce the wealth gaps and increase welfare spending;

Noting that the world has been descending into complete capitalism and extreme wealth gaps; Eh... You're kinda flirting with the Ideological Ban rule here.

Believing that the wealth gaps between the poor and rich should be reduced;

further believing that all humans are born equal; The word you want is Sapients. Several member nations (including my own and one of the GENSEC (Bears Armed) are inhabited completely (Bears Armed) or primarily (My own Jebslund) by nonhumans. This isn't a legality thing so much as a quibble someone was going to bring up sooner or later.

Aware that a lot of people are living under the poverty line recently and/or have not enough money to even buy a single meal;

Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation, as long as they are willing to contribute to the society should not be paid less or more than other people just because their contribution is different;


Seeking however, to stop these wealth gaps from growing even bigger;

1. Restricts a maximum wealth gap that a nation can reach; Metagaming. Resolutions cannot directly mention/affect gameside stats

3. Mandates that no one should live under the poverty line "Should" and "Mandates" do not go together. Drop the "should" and clean up the wording a bit.

4. Urges members to reduce the gaps between incomes in both public and private sector;

5. Clarifies that nothing in this resolution shall be interpreted as prohibiting the World Assembly from legislating in the future on Income equality.


[OOC: You may wish to post previous drafts under spoilers in the OP.]

I changed it
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:42 am

Kenmoria wrote:...declaring don't count as active clauses.

uh huh... To be honest, where do you get these ideas?

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:48 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:...declaring don't count as active clauses.

uh huh... To be honest, where do you get these ideas?

By active I meant not pre-ambulatory, and fulfilling the operative clause rule. All of the proposals you linked had other clauses that prohibited, mandated, encouraged or had another clause which did something to member states.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:55 am

That's not the actual question. You say that Declares aren't actual operative clauses. So – each of those clauses where I cite the existence of a declaration – are they operative? Do they have force? In Humanitarian Transport, do you have to follow the Declares clause guaranteeing the right to safe passage of humanitarian cargoes? In First Responder Protection Act, can first responders be hindered on the job? And in Landmine Safety Protocol (which I linked), when the whole operative section is nested under a declares clause, does it have effect?

Declares are operative clauses. They are statements of legal facts specified by the Assembly. So when the Assembly declares that "Member states shall not utilize, purchase, manufacture, stockpile, or transfer in any way mines that do not retain at least one of the listed features", those states "shall not utilize, purchase, manufacture, stockpile, or transfer in any way mines that do not retain at least one of the listed features".
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:01 am

Anyway, to the OP, see Minimum Standard of Living Act.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:10 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:That's not the actual question. You say that Declares aren't actual operative clauses. So – each of those clauses where I cite the existence of a declaration – are they operative? Do they have force? In Humanitarian Transport, do you have to follow the Declares clause guaranteeing the right to safe passage of humanitarian cargoes? In First Responder Protection Act, can first responders be hindered on the job? And in Landmine Safety Protocol (which I linked), when the whole operative section is nested under a declares clause, does it have effect?

Declares are operative clauses. They are statements of legal facts specified by the Assembly. So when the Assembly declares that "Member states shall not utilize, purchase, manufacture, stockpile, or transfer in any way mines that do not retain at least one of the listed features", those states "shall not utilize, purchase, manufacture, stockpile, or transfer in any way mines that do not retain at least one of the listed features".

It depends on the context, whether or not 'declares' counts as an operative clause. In the case of the proposal in this thread, declares did not count as an operative clause, and other resolutions do not affect the context in which I used 'declaring'. In my post, I was naming clauses by their opening word and stating that said clauses were not operative. There are possibilities where almost any opening word could be used operatively, but they are not relevant to situations where they are used in a non-operative sense.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:12 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Anyway, to the OP, see Minimum Standard of Living Act.

What is the OP?
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:13 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Anyway, to the OP, see Minimum Standard of Living Act.

What is the OP?

The OP is you, the one who started the thread.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:15 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:What is the OP?

The OP is you, the one who started the thread.

Oh ok
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Postby Deltanium » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:20 am

NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I WORKED SO HARD FOR THAT TOP 5% WEALTH GAPS TROPHY AND U WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY?
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:21 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Anyway, to the OP, see Minimum Standard of Living Act.

I have seen it but this increases equality
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:24 am

Deltanium wrote:NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I WORKED SO HARD FOR THAT TOP 5% WEALTH GAPS TROPHY AND U WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY?

Everyone who is a member will lose wealth gaps so will still be there
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:39 am

Marxist Germany wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Anyway, to the OP, see Minimum Standard of Living Act.

I have seen it but this increases equality

OOC: That's debatable, but you currently have duplication/contradiction issues with MSoLA (and NEF and few others probably), and clause 5 appears to encourage amendments in the future, which are illegal.
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:49 am

Araraukar wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:I have seen it but this increases equality

OOC: That's debatable, but you currently have duplication/contradiction issues with MSoLA (and NEF and few others probably), and clause 5 appears to encourage amendments in the future, which are illegal.

Changed it again
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:54 am

Marxist Germany wrote: Changed it again

OOC: And now it contradicts CoCR.

Also, put in a "Changelog" or save old drafts under spoilers, because right now it's hard to say what changes you have made and why.

EDIT: Also, mandating same income to everyone only ensures that some will die from poverty and some will live happily, since people's costs of living can differ vastly.
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Postby Bananaistan » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:01 am

OOC: Your clause 1 amounts to nothing. It states that the WA restricts the income of the rich. You might as well say the WA bans rain other than on every second Tuesday at 5am. Just how is the WA going to restrict the income of the rich? You need to give instructions to member states beyond stating banalities. The second, called clause 3, more or less duplicates the entirety of GAR#344 (referred to above by Imperium Anglorum). This makes the proposal illegal. The third is wishy washy nonsense.

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Marxist Germany wrote: Changed it again

OOC: And now it contradicts CoCR.

Eh?
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:09 am

Bananaistan wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: And now it contradicts CoCR.

Eh?

OOC: "Convinced That every legal inhabitant of a member nation, as long as they are willing to contribute to the society should not be paid less or more than other people just because their contribution is different". Or are we now allowed to say things that would contradict existing legislation in the preamble?
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Postby Marxist Germany » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:28 am

Araraukar wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote: Changed it again

OOC: And now it contradicts CoCR.

Also, put in a "Changelog" or save old drafts under spoilers, because right now it's hard to say what changes you have made and why.

EDIT: Also, mandating same income to everyone only ensures that some will die from poverty and some will live happily, since people's costs of living can differ vastly.

I said that no one should live under the poverty line

EDIT: should i just cancel it because i think it just wont work?
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