[PASSED] Provisional Rule in Wartime

[Doing it Rightland]

My only questions are as follows:

• Utilize natural and community resources to the benefit of the occupied territory, provided those resources:
  
  
  1. Are not appropriated for domestic use by the occupying force; and
     
     
  2. Do not create war materiel.

Could this theoretically be circumvented by utilizing resources that are either not natural/communal (ie seizing from a private entity) or already processed goods to fuel their war efforts? Like, just an example, but lets say an occupying nation seized control of a canned beverage distribution center (bear with me). They could theoretically take the cans (a finished good) and either use them for domestic use or smelt them down into metal, which could then be used in the production of weapons. Is this possible? (If there's already previous legislation for this, please let me know)

• Detonates all nuclear warheads simultaneously.

We would like this clause to be struck from the proposal.

[Separatist Peoples]

My only questions are as follows:

• Utilize natural and community resources to the benefit of the occupied territory, provided those resources:
  
  
  1. Are not appropriated for domestic use by the occupying force; and
     
     
  2. Do not create war materiel.

Could this theoretically be circumvented by utilizing resources that are either not natural/communal (ie seizing from a private entity) or already processed goods to fuel their war efforts? Like, just an example, but lets say an occupying nation seized control of a canned beverage distribution center (bear with me). They could theoretically take the cans (a finished good) and either use them for domestic use or smelt them down into metal, which could then be used in the production of weapons. Is this possible? (If there's already previous legislation for this, please let me know)

"There is already previous law on this topic. I wrote it."

• Detonates all nuclear warheads simultaneously.

We would like this clause to be struck from the proposal.

"Never. When I pass this, the world will burn in radioactive flames."

[Doing it Rightland]

"There is already previous law on this topic. I wrote it."

Neat.

"Never. When I pass this, the world will burn in radioactive flames."

Less neat. But, aside from the nuclear detonation part, I support this.

[Bears Armed]

Utilize natural and community resources to the benefit of the occupied territory, provided those resources:
Are not appropriated for domestic use by the occupying force; and
Do not create war materiel.

OOC
So if the occupier wants to strengthen their field fortifications with sandbags they would have to ship the filling material for those into the territory?
As this is "may", with no "must not" beyond shipping appropriated resources back home or creating war materiel, and those lines only apply when the resources are being used "to the benefit of the occupied territory", couldn't nations read it as allowing occupiers to use those resources for the occupiers' benefit in other ways than just breathing the air & drinking the water -- such as, for example, selling valuable materials to a third party (rather than "domestically") -- as well?
What if the occupied territory's population mostly support the occupation, perhaps because they were being oppressed by their former masters?

[The ethereal lord]

'A "Military occupation" is the effective and provisional control and administration of a territory by a military power not sovereign to the territory that it control'
Is a military force that controls an area not the sovereign of the area?

[Separatist Peoples]

'A "Military occupation" is the effective and provisional control and administration of a territory by a military power not sovereign to the territory that it control'
Is a military force that controls an area not the sovereign of the area?

"No, a military is not the sovereign state."

[The ethereal lord]

Yes you're right. I meant isn't the controller of the military then the sovereign if they occupy the land?
Also clause 8 should obviously be kept. For the safety of all right. The ones supporting nuclear de-proliferation would like it i think.

[Separatist Peoples]

Yes you're right. I meant isn't the controller of the military then the sovereign if they occupy the land?
Also clause 8 should obviously be kept. For the safety of all right. The ones supporting nuclear de-proliferation would like it i think.

"Sorry for the delay. A foreign force occupying land is not the sovereign unless the territory is annexed. An occupation may be a prelude to annexation, but it is not itself annexation."

[Araraukar]

"I have considered the battlefield and occupied territory to be separate jurisdictions. A battlefield is, by its nature, a contested territory. While military superiority may not be questionable, that there is combat itself suggests the land is not uncontested. This should not interfere with battlefield seizures."

"Sorry for the delay. A foreign force occupying land is not the sovereign unless the territory is annexed. An occupation may be a prelude to annexation, but it is not itself annexation."

"So what does a contested piece of occupied territory count as? Neither nation has military forces in the area, but heavily-armed law enforcement and border patrol units do keep things civilized most of the time. Many Araraukarian citizens live in the area, and we consider it a part of our nation, but many foreigners also live there, and our northernly neighbour disagrees with our claim to it, and considers it part of their nation instead."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I have considered the battlefield and occupied territory to be separate jurisdictions. A battlefield is, by its nature, a contested territory. While military superiority may not be questionable, that there is combat itself suggests the land is not uncontested. This should not interfere with battlefield seizures."

"Sorry for the delay. A foreign force occupying land is not the sovereign unless the territory is annexed. An occupation may be a prelude to annexation, but it is not itself annexation."

"So what does a contested piece of occupied territory count as? Neither nation has military forces in the area, but heavily-armed law enforcement and border patrol units do keep things civilized most of the time. Many Araraukarian citizens live in the area, and we consider it a part of our nation, but many foreigners also live there, and our northernly neighbour disagrees with our claim to it, and considers it part of their nation instead."

"Land that is occupied is not contested in the sense I've been using, insofar as it is under de facto control of one power. What you are describing is not within the ambit of this proposal."

[Falcania]

So at what point does an occupation become an annexation? I am unclear on this point.

[Separatist Peoples]

So at what point does an occupation become an annexation? I am unclear on this point.

"When the territory is formally incorporated into a nation as part of the nation."

[Elyreia]

So at what point does an occupation become an annexation? I am unclear on this point.

Annexation means that the territory (formerly of Nation A) is now legally a part of the annexing party (Nation B). The citizens of the annexed territory no longer belong to Nation A, they are now citizens of Nation B. They pay taxes to Nation B, they are protected by Nation B, and they adhere to all laws of Nation B.

An occupation means that the territory has a permanent military presence from Nation B to prevent that territory's use by Nation A in continuing the war effort against Nation B. It's a denial of resources and territory, but not a claim of "we own this" by Nation B.

[Araraukar]

"Land that is occupied is not contested in the sense I've been using, insofar as it is under de facto control of one power. What you are describing is not within the ambit of this proposal."

"Well, it's technically under the joint control of the two nations, but tends to be more ours whenever Miss Leveret has been visiting there recently. However, if our situation would not be affected by the proposal, then I have no objections or further questions."

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Bump again. Looking to submit this after Self Defense Compact, I think.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Bump again. Looking to submit this after Self Defense Compact, I think.

OOC: So what you're saying is I should move WA status to WAKK for a while? Can do.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: I forgot to submit this, so...comments?

[Kenmoria]

OOC: I forgot to submit this, so...comments?

(OOC: Go ahead; this looks to be the ‘perfect’ draft, possible excluding clause 8.)

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: I want to submit this, but I am apparently in a persistent depressive drafting episode and cannot muster the energy.

[Morover]

OOC: I want to submit this, but I am apparently in a persistent depressive drafting episode and cannot muster the energy.

OOC: I believe in you. You can do it!

[Umeria]

If this resolution was repealed, would the nuclear warheads un-detonate?

[Separatist Peoples]

If this resolution was repealed, would the nuclear warheads un-detonate?

"Ambassador, I dont know what passes for legal education in your nation, but here in the civilized world, a repeal would have a nullifying effect on all provisions repealed. Obviously the warheads would unexplode. That's just basic science."

[The New Sicilian State]

If this resolution was repealed, would the nuclear warheads un-detonate?

"Ambassador, I dont know what passes for legal education in your nation, but here in the civilized world, a repeal would have a nullifying effect on all provisions repealed. Obviously the warheads would unexplode. That's just basic science."

"Perfect. Support."

[Araraukar]

Create and enforce regulations to establish effective control over the occupied territory, provided they do not violate or frustrate extant World Assembly law;

"Exactly what do you mean by "frustrate" here? Laws are not entities that could feel frustration."

[Separatist Peoples]

Create and enforce regulations to establish effective control over the occupied territory, provided they do not violate or frustrate extant World Assembly law;

"Exactly what do you mean by "frustrate" here? Laws are not entities that could feel frustration."

Bell taps on a touchscreen to bring up a projector and types 'frustrate' into a search bar.

Dictionary
frus·trate
/ˈfrəstrāt/
verb
verb: frustrate; 3rd person present: frustrates; past tense: frustrated; past participle: frustrated; gerund or present participle: frustrating
prevent (a plan or attempted action) from progressing, succeeding, or being fulfilled.
"his attempt to frustrate the merger"