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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:01 am

Take One wrote:Hello,

People's Republic of Take One is a newly-formed nation and we recently became a member state of General Assembly, so please accept our regret for late deliberation of this proposal since it has already entered voting. We found some concerns with the resolution, but are not sure of their weight and do not want to hold up crucial resolution on technicalities. Nevertheless, in the interest of due diligence, we seek input from other member states on whether these are worthy of a revision at this late stage.

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3.c.iii. The service does not, in character or purpose, further military efforts; and


This appears to be in contradiction of 3.e and 3.f which appear to permit recruitment of volunteers into military service, and utilization of captured infrastructure for military efforts. If we surmise from 3.f that military occupation following armed conflict could potentially run into any recurrent instances of armed conflict in its attempt to pacify the region, then military service would require military efforts outside of administration and policing, and at that time, it shall be challenging for a military occupancy to not engage its military service volunteers in active military efforts.

"3.c. is a separate clause not governed directly by 3.e or 3.f."
3.d.ii. Do not further military efforts.


The same argument holds for this clause as well, the object of concern being commodity resources instead of volunteer recruits.

"3.d is a different clause than 3.c, and does not govern 3.c."
4.d. Restore and enforce public order and safety while respecting the laws of occupied land, to the extent that it does not frustrate World Assembly law.

This provision should also allow provisions for respecting the laws of occupied land, to the extent that it does not frustrate the laws of the occupying territory either. For eg -- a fair number of nations have laws more conservative or restrictive of individual freedom than do the majority members of World Assembly Law. The laws of such occupied nations could curtail the freedom of occupying military forces afforded to them in their own nation on home territory.

"Yes, unless those laws limit the efficacy of the occupation. Occupying forces, within reason, of course, are and should be subject to the local laws when they are off-duty. Life is hard when you're a soldier. I'm not looking to make it easier, just more fair."
4.e. Narrowly tailor any restriction of individual freedoms;


This statement could also use qualifications to ensure that these freedoms should not impinge upon civic rights and liberties of other individuals. The laws an occupied territory arrives at upon attaining self-sufficiency of administration are it's own (and perhaps qualified by World Assembly Law), but until such time, occupying forces should be allowed to curtail inappropriate reaches of individual freedom that their own law might forbid.


"The entire point of military occupation is necessity. Some degree of temporary limitations are necessary to manage the territory during a transitory period. This is true of other emergency or transitory periods. That it violates individual freedom is a sad requirement, yes, but occasionally necessary. The most ready example I have is instituting a curfew on an occupied territory to avoid sabotage. A burden on populations? Yes. Necessary in the short term? Yes. Likely to persist beyond the occupation? No."

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Postby JC Cavs » Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Kenmoria wrote:"How does this proposal “improve world security by boosting police and military budgets”, and thus justify the category? Also, even though there is a value to humour, clause 8 is just ridiculous."

"It imposes additional operating costs on military entities engaged in occupations. It firmly moves the role of soldiers in an occupation into one akin to police officers. It requires enforcement of law in an occupied territory. It requires occupying forces create a legal system to deal with said law enforcement. It increases the cost of military operations by imposing additional operational considerations. Need I go on?"


It also maintains the country as a whole, protecting it from larger nations that may be seeking to take over. By limiting the role of soldiers to a role of police officers, it ensures the safety of citizens while theIr nation rebuilds and finds new leadership.

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Postby Eluney » Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:24 am

“Eluney will give its full support to this excellently written proposal and congratulate its authors. The establishment of basic rules in contexts of military occupation and of minimum fundamental rights for the populations of those places is fundamental for the respect of human rights“.

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Postby Island Girl Herby » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:29 am

Not that it matters much but I’m voting against. It is a terrible, terrible proposal, I hear that we’re going to lose billions of lives if implemented, and the author, that Mister Bell, you know what, he is nasty, just so nasty, he’s bad for this assembly, bad for this world, you know I hear that he accepted zillions from foreign powers, he and his son — does he have a son? I heard he has a son. Maybe he doesn’t know about his son. Anyway, terrible, terrible proposal........ ahem unless the ambassador decides to make things right with his freakin’ bar tab of course.

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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:34 am

Island Girl Herby wrote:Not that it matters much but I’m voting against. It is a terrible, terrible proposal, I hear that we’re going to lose billions of lives if implemented, and the author, that Mister Bell, you know what, he is nasty, just so nasty, he’s bad for this assembly, bad for this world, you know I hear that he accepted zillions from foreign powers, he and his son — does he have a son? I heard he has a son. Maybe he doesn’t know about his son. Anyway, terrible, terrible proposal........ ahem unless the ambassador decides to make things right with his freakin’ bar tab of course.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:08 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:
Island Girl Herby wrote:Not that it matters much but I’m voting against. It is a terrible, terrible proposal, I hear that we’re going to lose billions of lives if implemented, and the author, that Mister Bell, you know what, he is nasty, just so nasty, he’s bad for this assembly, bad for this world, you know I hear that he accepted zillions from foreign powers, he and his son — does he have a son? I heard he has a son. Maybe he doesn’t know about his son. Anyway, terrible, terrible proposal........ ahem unless the ambassador decides to make things right with his freakin’ bar tab of course.

We must concur with this analysis.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:32 am

Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. After that stunt some of my staffers pulled, I think you will want to impose some limitations on that.

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:48 am

Ah, finally! A worthy proposal! The people of The Controlled Union will be greatly pleased by its passage! Not that we would be occupying any territories any time soon,but still...
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:49 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. After that stunt some of my staffers pulled, I think you will want to impose some limitations on that.

"Now now, Herby and the Pope (what a duo!) graciously offered. Had they intended to limit this offer, I am sure they would have done so."

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:52 am

A proposal like this is surely like a breath of fresh air in the age of left-wing culture infiltrating the World Assembly.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:09 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:A proposal like this is surely like a breath of fresh air in the age of left-wing culture infiltrating the World Assembly.

"Thank you, ambassador, though this particular brand legislation is historically opposed by right wing governments and supported by left and centrist governments."

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Postby Enjuku » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:07 pm

Greetings from Enjuku!

Unfortunately, our delegation will vote against this resolution. Enjuku is a committedly pacifist nation, and we have immense objections to the establishing clauses of this resolution. Military occupation of civilian territory is not necessary. "Plunder" is hardly the only danger at issue when an occupying force is present. And nations need not "steward" other nations; they must work together with native authorities depending on the circumstance.

Further, the meat of this resolution is equally, if not more concerning to us. Not only is this resolution permitting occupying forces to enforce regulations, impose taxes, compel the recruitment of native inhabitants under the occupying force's authority, and even use the natural resources on the native land. That is not enough.

This resolution furthermore does not impose strict timelines on these efforts. The only mention of timing is to restore civilian infrastructure in a "timely and effective manner" or to transition to local authority "at such time as durable."

If the American Brown v. Board of Education case, which mandated the retreat of racial segregation in education with "all deliberate speed", were decided in the same language as this resolution, it would've allowed segregation to continue unabated at the complete discretion of the racialist whites it sought to remove from power. Here we have not racist segregation but military occupation, yet the effect of leaving dangers in place remains.

It does not matter if this resolution narrowly tailors the restrictions, as clause 4E says. Oppression is oppression, whether slight or harsh, for months or for decades.

We appreciate the intentions of this resolution, but its wording and effects are too dangerous to be ignored or endorsed. Therefore we wholeheartedly oppose this resolution and register our vote against its passing.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:01 pm

Enjuku wrote:Greetings from Enjuku!

Unfortunately, our delegation will vote against this resolution. Enjuku is a committedly pacifist nation, and we have immense objections to the establishing clauses of this resolution. Military occupation of civilian territory is not necessary. "Plunder" is hardly the only danger at issue when an occupying force is present. And nations need not "steward" other nations; they must work together with native authorities depending on the circumstance.

Further, the meat of this resolution is equally, if not more concerning to us. Not only is this resolution permitting occupying forces to enforce regulations, impose taxes, compel the recruitment of native inhabitants under the occupying force's authority, and even use the natural resources on the native land. That is not enough.

This resolution furthermore does not impose strict timelines on these efforts. The only mention of timing is to restore civilian infrastructure in a "timely and effective manner" or to transition to local authority "at such time as durable."

If the American Brown v. Board of Education case, which mandated the retreat of racial segregation in education with "all deliberate speed", were decided in the same language as this resolution, it would've allowed segregation to continue unabated at the complete discretion of the racialist whites it sought to remove from power. Here we have not racist segregation but military occupation, yet the effect of leaving dangers in place remains.

It does not matter if this resolution narrowly tailors the restrictions, as clause 4E says. Oppression is oppression, whether slight or harsh, for months or for decades.

We appreciate the intentions of this resolution, but its wording and effects are too dangerous to be ignored or endorsed. Therefore we wholeheartedly oppose this resolution and register our vote against its passing.


"Ambassador, your concerns are noted, but your desired goals are politically unfeasible. Treating occupations as identical to the liberal day-to-day of pluralistic society invites failure and obstructs genuine attempts to protect civilians. The alternative is allowing unregulated occupations. You have my support to replace this with a proposal that fits your optimistic reality, ambassador. I would dearly like to live in such a world."

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Postby United States of Americanas » Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:53 pm

Automatic no vote from my nation. As a hospital state we do not have a military and per international law it is a war crime to strike upon a hospital state.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:08 am

United States of Americanas wrote:Automatic no vote from my nation. As a hospital state we do not have a military and per international law it is a war crime to strike upon a hospital state.

Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. Really? Name what portion of international law makes it a war crime.

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:22 am

Provisional Rule in Wartime was passed 10,596 votes to 3,915.
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Postby The New Sicilian State » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:38 am

OOC: Congrats sep, I see this one's been at least two years in the making... shame all the nuclear warheads are gone though.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:46 am

The New Sicilian State wrote:OOC: Congrats sep, I see this one's been at least two years in the making... shame all the nuclear warheads are gone though.

Ooc: for now...
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Postby Araraukar » Wed Oct 28, 2020 12:29 pm

OOC: Grats for passing it. I'm just annoyed at myself for forgetting to resign from WA before it passed, to avoid the hit to my Pacifism stat. Guess I'll have to start answering issues again... :lol2:

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United States of Americanas wrote:Automatic no vote from my nation. As a hospital state we do not have a military and per international law it is a war crime to strike upon a hospital state.

Elsie Mortimer Wellesley. Really? Name what portion of international law makes it a war crime.

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