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[ABANDONED]: Permit to allow Satellite Deterrents

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The Grinning Business
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[ABANDONED]: Permit to allow Satellite Deterrents

Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 7:48 am

Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The Grinning Business

UNDERSTANDING that The World Assembly refuses to place an official police force in any country,
BELIEVING that this is a massive assistance in dictating the world's security,
DENOUNCING the idea that this would be WA militarization,
FIRMLY STATING that this tool would only be utilized in a matter of serious security,
ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of atmospheric deterrents in the world.

Hereby mandates the following:

1) The World Assembly shall permit any unmanned satellite with any set of weaponry-based deterrents, up to and including a nuclear payload into the atmosphere.
2) The World Assembly will never claim use of the satellites or the weaponry present upon them.
3) The World Assembly will not send men to utilize the unmanned satellite.
4) The World Assembly will never permit the satellite to be used in a capacity of pre-emptive assault and enforcement of terrorism.

Previous drafts:
Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The Grinning Business

UNDERSTANDING that The World Assembly refuses to place an official police force in any country,
BELIEVING that this is a massive assistance in dictating the world's security,
DENOUNCING the idea that this would be WA militarization,
FIRMLY STATING that this tool would only be utilized in a matter of serious security,
ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of atmospheric deterrents in the world.

Hereby mandates the following:

1) The World Assembly shall permit any unmanned satellite with a full nuclear payload into the atmosphere of theoretical planets.
2) The World Assembly will never claim use of the satellites o
3) The World Assembly will not send men to utilize the unmanned satellite.
4) The World Assembly will never permit the satellite to be used in a fascist capacity.


Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The Grinning Business

UNDERSTANDING that The World Assembly refuses to place an official police force in any country,
BELIEVING that this is a massive assistance in dictating the world's security,
DENOUNCING the idea that this would be WA militarization,
FIRMLY STATING that this tool would only be utilized in a matter of serious security,
ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of atmospheric deterrents in the world.

Hereby mandates the following:

1) The World Assembly shall permit any unmanned satellite with any number of military deterrents into the atmosphere.
2) The World Assembly will never claim use of the satellites.
3) The World Assembly will not send men to utilize the unmanned satellite.
4) The World Assembly will never permit the satellite to be used in a capacity of pre-emptive assault and enforcement of negative government ideals.
Last edited by The Grinning Business on Tue May 22, 2018 12:22 pm, edited 9 times in total.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue May 22, 2018 7:55 am

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Postby Jebslund » Tue May 22, 2018 8:07 am

Edits in red, comments in blue.

The Grinning Business wrote:Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The Grinning Business

UNDERSTANDING that The World Assembly refuses to place an official police force in any country, Because it would contradict GAR#2
BELIEVING that this is a massive assistance in dictating the world's security,
DENOUNCING the idea that this would be WA militarization, GAR#2
FIRMLY STATING that this tool would only be utilized in a matter of serious security, If it's still a military, it's a contradiction
ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of atmospheric deterrents in the world.

Hereby proposesmandates the following:

1) The World Assembly shall permit an unmanned satellite with a number of military deterrents into the atmosphere. Good so far. Any nation can have these as part of its own military.
2) The World Assembly will never use the satellite in the capacity to wage war upon various nations. Eh... We got a possible contradiction here...
3) The World Assembly will only send people to man the satellite in the event that a serious threat is upon the World Assembly.
4) The World Assembly will never use the satellite in a fascist capacity.
The moment the WA mans these under the WA flag, they become part of a WA military action, and therefore a contradiction of GAR#2
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 8:10 am

I see. I have suitably modified the draft to fit as such, now being more of a license rather than a command.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am

The Grinning Business wrote:I see. I have suitably modified the draft to fit as such, now being more of a license rather than a command.

[OOC: Word of advice: Post previous drafts under spoilers below your current one in the OP so newcomers can see what previous commenters were commenting on if they wish.]
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Postby Alsace and Lorraine United » Tue May 22, 2018 8:15 am

The Grinning Business wrote:Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: The Grinning Business

UNDERSTANDING that The World Assembly refuses to place an official police force in any country,
BELIEVING that this is a massive assistance in dictating the world's security,
DENOUNCING the idea that this would be WA militarization,
FIRMLY STATING that this tool would only be utilized in a matter of serious security,
ACKNOWLEDGING the lack of atmospheric deterrents in the world.

Hereby mandates the following:

1) The World Assembly shall permit any unmanned satellite with any number of military deterrents into the atmosphere.
2) The World Assembly will never claim use of the satellites.
3) The World Assembly will not send men to utilize the unmanned satellite.
4) The World Assembly will never permit the satellite to be used in a fascist capacity.



Seems highly dangerous ambassador and could get out of hand, we of Alsace and Lorraine United cannot support this proposal.

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Postby Terra Voltera » Tue May 22, 2018 9:09 am

Queen Kagawi Yuuki looks at the proposal on her desk in perplexity.

"What the heck is this?," she wonders out loud. "The Empire of Lenlyvit, and its colonies, could never support something this crazy. Not only could it be used to devastating effect, this kind of thing is clearly covered by GAR#2."
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 9:47 am

"Before you state that #2 blocks it, you may want to be aware that this does not militarize the WA specifically, as an earlier draft did. Rather, this plants license for WA nations to plant satellites so as to improve national security, not to mention the threat of potential nuclear deterrents blocking out chances at severe damage," says the Magnificent Manly Money Mogul, as he scrapes off a Government-Faced Coin.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 22, 2018 9:49 am

The Grinning Business wrote:4) The World Assembly will never permit the satellite to be used in a fascist capacity.

OOC: Meaning...what exactly?
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 9:52 am

OOC: Meaning that the satellites are not to be used to promote a fascist cause or used for things such as threatening other nations rather than enforcing security.
"As of recently, it's been decreed that any man who deserts the military will be hunted down and... eliminated. For the glory of the Magnificent Manly Money Mogul."

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 22, 2018 9:55 am

The Grinning Business wrote:OOC: Meaning that the satellites are not to be used to promote a fascist cause or used for things such as threatening other nations rather than enforcing security.

OOC: But why fascism specifically?
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 9:57 am

OOC: Due to ease of use for enforcing brute force fascism. (It's an in-character thing. The Grinning Business claims to hate fascism despite the obvious hypocrisy present.)
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 22, 2018 9:58 am

The Grinning Business wrote:OOC: Due to ease of use for enforcing brute force fascism. (It's an in-character thing. The Grinning Business claims to hate fascism despite the obvious hypocrisy present.)

OOC: But how is that an international issue if it just applies to the way that your RP your nation?
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 10:01 am

OOC: Fair enough. I'll modify it in that case.
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Postby Jebslund » Tue May 22, 2018 10:24 am

The Grinning Business wrote:OOC: Fair enough. I'll modify it in that case.

[OOC: And create an Ideology Ban violation in the process. "Will never be used to enforce negative government ideals".]
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue May 22, 2018 11:14 am

"The World Assembly exists on thousands of different plants, in different galaxies. Would this proposal create a satellite for each planet? If so, that would be extremely expensive and would litter the universe with barely used objects."
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Postby The New California Republic » Tue May 22, 2018 11:19 am

OOC: The title of the draft proposal is "Building an unmanned superweapon", but there is nothing in the current draft that mentions anything related to that. Sure, it mentions satellites, but that could mean weather satellites, communication satellites, etc. It only mentions satellites as "military deterrents", which is vague, too vague.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 12:05 pm

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: The title of the draft proposal is "Building an unmanned superweapon", but there is nothing in the current draft that mentions anything related to that. Sure, it mentions satellites, but that could mean weather satellites, communication satellites, etc. It only mentions satellites as "military deterrents", which is vague, too vague.


Repaired so that language clarifies more what I mean by "military deterrents".
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue May 22, 2018 12:06 pm

The Grinning Business wrote:I see. I have suitably modified the draft to fit as such, now being more of a license rather than a command.

A license? You mean, "permitting" nations to do what they may well already be doing?

I believe you may have a misconception as to what the WA does and does not do. It deals with real issues. It is not the license bureau. It is not mommy and daddy giving nations "permission" to do something.
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Postby The Grinning Business » Tue May 22, 2018 12:10 pm

I yield. It is clear this proposal is already struck down, hence I cease and desist with advocating it.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue May 22, 2018 12:17 pm

The Grinning Business wrote:I yield. It is clear this proposal is already struck down, hence I cease and desist with advocating it.
(OOC: In that case, change the tag from [DRAFT] to [ABANDONED] to signify this. Also, don't be dissuaded if your first proposal doesn't work out, it can be very hard to pass a law for the GA.)
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My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.


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