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Democratic Exodian Territories
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Ex-Nation

Postby Democratic Exodian Territories » Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:54 am

As much as I would like this to pass (with many revisions), it has absolutely no chance.

Also, it doesn’t seem as if you fully understand what socialism and communism is. Socialism and communism is the forceful control of all industry by the government.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:24 am

Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:Also, it doesn’t seem as if you fully understand what socialism and communism is. Socialism and communism is the forceful control of all industry by the government.

OOC: It doesn't seem as if you fully understand what Socialism and Communism are either. Ironic...
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The Peoples Vanguard
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Peoples Vanguard » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:02 am

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: Also a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule, which you've been around long enough to know. This is not salvageable. The joke proposal thread is -------> thataway.


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Tinfect
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tinfect » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:35 am

OOC:
This is an incoherent and intentionally misleading mess; please stop doing this every time you deign to grace the GA with your presence.
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:32 pm

Teran Saber: "Uh..."

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Swedish Communist Party
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Ex-Nation

Postby Swedish Communist Party » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:35 pm

Old Hope wrote:
The World Assembly,
Troubled by the safety problems occurring when sensitive industries are not under control of the state,
Convinced that unequal payment by the state reduces the trust of the people in the state,
Convinced that sensitive industries should not be in private hands,
Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of food and drinking water,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Socialism as the possession of sensitive industries by any entity other than a nation state,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Communism as the possession of sensitive industries producing food by any entity other than the nation state it is being produced in,
Mandates member states to:
  • ban Socialism and Communism
  • declare the lowest possible amount of money that can be paid to be fair and just compensation for any loss of ownership by private entities resulting out of this resolution.
  • pay all people employed by the state in a sensitive industry the same amount of money for an hour of work.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Resolutions to repeal before this can be submitted: National Economic Freedoms


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The Tomerlands
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Founded: Jun 21, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby The Tomerlands » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:19 pm

I don't agree with this idea of banning any form of government. But why not ban Facism, absolute monarchies, and dictatorships in general?
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Dinoium
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Founded: Jul 20, 2017
Anarchy

Postby Dinoium » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:23 pm

Old Hope wrote:
The World Assembly,
Troubled by the safety problems occurring when sensitive industries are not under control of the state,
Convinced that unequal payment by the state reduces the trust of the people in the state,
Convinced that sensitive industries should not be in private hands,
Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of food and drinking water,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Socialism as the possession of sensitive industries by any entity other than a nation state,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Communism as the possession of sensitive industries producing food by any entity other than the nation state it is being produced in,
Mandates member states to:
  • ban Socialism and Communism
  • declare the lowest possible amount of money that can be paid to be fair and just compensation for any loss of ownership by private entities resulting out of this resolution.
  • pay all people employed by the state in a sensitive industry the same amount of money for an hour of work.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Resolutions to repeal before this can be submitted: National Economic Freedoms

This basically takes the fun and Roleplay out of NS so I would say this is just plain illegal tho I would have to read the rules again, I still think that this is ridiculous!!

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Old Hope
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Postby Old Hope » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:26 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:Can we let this obviously illegal proposal thread die in peace? There was no need for a 4-day spammy bump.

It is not as obviously illegal as you think according to the Secretariat, with one important exception- NEF contradiction.
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 21, 2018 2:17 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:Can we let this obviously illegal proposal thread die in peace? There was no need for a 4-day spammy bump.

It is not as obviously illegal as you think according to the Secretariat, with one important exception- NEF contradiction.

That makes it obviously illegal.

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Old Hope
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Postby Old Hope » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:01 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Old Hope wrote:It is not as obviously illegal as you think according to the Secretariat, with one important exception- NEF contradiction.

That makes it obviously illegal.

R.I.P. thanks for playing. That's all, folks, nothing to see here.

Yes, illegal right now, but I mentioned that from the start.
But that problem will go away when NEF is repealed.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:06 pm

Old Hope wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:That makes it obviously illegal.

R.I.P. thanks for playing. That's all, folks, nothing to see here.

Yes, illegal right now, but I mentioned that from the start.
But that problem will go away when NEF is repealed.

And in the mean time, this is obviously illegal. Fris is right. Until NEF is repealed, lets let this die the death it deserves: cold and lonely, buried under active threads and allowed to suffocate.

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Belshekistan
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Postby Belshekistan » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:11 pm

OOC: do you even know what communism and socialism are? because it sounds like you're trying to enforce them rather than ban them.
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:20 pm

Belshekistan wrote:OOC: do you even know what communism and socialism are? because it sounds like you're trying to enforce them rather than ban them.

OOC: the author is attempting to fool the GA, but seems to think himself much more clever than he really is. Or that the GA is full of drooling morons.

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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:29 am

Old Hope wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:That makes it obviously illegal.

R.I.P. thanks for playing. That's all, folks, nothing to see here.

Yes, illegal right now, but I mentioned that from the start.
But that problem will go away when NEF is repealed.

(OOC: I don't see any attempt of your to repeal National Economic Freedoms, and relying on someone else to repeal it, who will probably have a replacement, isn't quite acceptable practice here. Also, this is still illegal at the current moment, and against the spirit of the Ideological Ban rule.)
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Bears Armed » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:49 am

Old Hope wrote:
Frisbeeteria wrote:Can we let this obviously illegal proposal thread die in peace? There was no need for a 4-day spammy bump.

It is not as obviously illegal as you think according to the Secretariat, with one important exception- NEF contradiction.

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Also, by long-established precedent, a proposal's title has to match it contents which in this case -- because of the blatant re-definition of terms within the text -- it does not do.
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