[Draft] Ban Socialism and Communism

[Old Hope]

The World Assembly,
Troubled by the safety problems occurring when sensitive industries are not under control of the state,
Convinced that unequal payment by the state reduces the trust of the people in the state,
Convinced that sensitive industries should not be in private hands,
Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of food and drinking water,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Socialism as the possession of sensitive industries by any entity other than a nation state,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Communism as the possession of sensitive industries producing food by any entity other than the nation state it is being produced in,
Mandates member states to:

• ban Socialism and Communism
• declare the lowest possible amount of money that can be paid to be fair and just compensation for any loss of ownership by private entities resulting out of this resolution.
• pay all people employed by the state in a sensitive industry the same amount of money for an hour of work.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Resolutions to repeal before this can be submitted: National Economic Freedoms

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Also a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule, which you've been around long enough to know. This is not salvageable. The joke proposal thread is -------> thataway.

[Aunsend]

I like it. It’s never gonna get passed, but I like it

[Separatist Peoples]

I like it. It’s never gonna get passed, but I like it

OOC: Don't encourage illegal proposals.

[The New California Republic]

The World Assembly,
Troubled by the safety problems occurring when sensitive industries are not under control of the state,
Convinced that unequal payment by the state reduces the trust of the people in the state,
Convinced that sensitive industries should not be in private hands,
Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of sensitive goods,
Defines sensitive goods as goods important for the basic needs of the people, such as food and water,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Socialism as the possession of sensitive industries by any entity other than a nation state,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Communism as the possession of sensitive industries producing sensitive goods by any entity other than the nation state they are being produced in,
Mandates member states to:

• ban Socialism and Communism
• declare the lowest possible amount of money that can be paid to be fair and just compensation for any loss of ownership by private entities resulting out of this resolution.
• pay all people employed by the state in a sensitive industry the same amount of money for an hour of work.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Resolutions to repeal before this can be submitted: National Economic Freedoms

OOC: Very illegal, as has already been said. That aside, the definitions of Socialism and Communism are ridiculous, and would have been my first gripe with this, had it not been illegal in the first place.

[Burninati0n]

Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Socialism as the possession of sensitive industries by any entity other than a nation state,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Communism as the possession of sensitive industries producing sensitive goods by any entity other than the nation state they are being produced in,

[Old Hope]

OOC: Also a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule, which you've been around long enough to know. This is not salvageable. The joke proposal thread is -------> thataway.

Can you tell me why this proposal is a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Also a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule, which you've been around long enough to know. This is not salvageable. The joke proposal thread is -------> thataway.

Can you tell me why this proposal is a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule?

OOC: It seeks to ban private industry, which is a hallmark of capitalist economies.

[The First German Order]

The World Assembly,
Troubled by the safety problems occurring when sensitive industries are not under control of the state,
Convinced that unequal payment by the state reduces the trust of the people in the state,
Convinced that sensitive industries should not be in private hands,
Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of sensitive goods,
Defines sensitive goods as goods important for the basic needs of the people, such as food and water,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Socialism as the possession of sensitive industries by any entity other than a nation state,
Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, Communism as the possession of sensitive industries producing sensitive goods by any entity other than the nation state they are being produced in,
Mandates member states to:

• ban Socialism and Communism
• declare the lowest possible amount of money that can be paid to be fair and just compensation for any loss of ownership by private entities resulting out of this resolution.
• pay all people employed by the state in a sensitive industry the same amount of money for an hour of work.

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Resolutions to repeal before this can be submitted: National Economic Freedoms

OOC: I’d like to pop in and point out that in Communism pretty much all industry is under the state’s control.

[Grays Harbor]

OOC: Also a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule, which you've been around long enough to know. This is not salvageable. The joke proposal thread is -------> thataway.

Can you tell me why this proposal is a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule?

How about you stop rules lawyering over everything, and instead try to come up with something not a train wreck of illegalities? The rules and guidelines ain’t hard to find.

[Old Hope]

Can you tell me why this proposal is a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule?

OOC: It seeks to ban private industry, which is a hallmark of capitalist economies.

Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of sensitive goods,
Defines sensitive goods as goods important for the basic needs of the people, such as food and water,

OCC: It bans some forms of private industry. Not all.

[Separatist Peoples]

Can you tell me why this proposal is a complete abolition of the Ideological Ban rule?

How about you stop rules lawyering over everything, and instead try to come up with something not a train wreck of illegalities? The rules and guidelines ain’t hard to find.

To say nothing of using basic grammar and legal writing standards.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: It seeks to ban private industry, which is a hallmark of capitalist economies.

Defines sensitive industries as the production, sale, storage or transportation of sensitive goods,
Defines sensitive goods as goods important for the basic needs of the people, such as food and water,

OCC: It bans some forms of private industry. Not all.

OOC: The production of necessities, which is a nonexclusive list. Its not hard to see how this can be spiraled out of control. Not buying it. Do not submit.

[Old Hope]

How about you stop rules lawyering over everything, and instead try to come up with something not a train wreck of illegalities? The rules and guidelines ain’t hard to find.

To say nothing of using basic grammar and legal writing standards.

OOC: The secretariat has ruled multiple times that banning some things that would be required in an ideal form of an ideology is legal.

[The First German Order]

To say nothing of using basic grammar and legal writing standards.

OOC: The secretariat has ruled multiple times that banning some things that would be required in an ideal form of an ideology is legal.

OOC: So uh... you do realize that he is a member of the Secretariat, right?

[The New California Republic]

To say nothing of using basic grammar and legal writing standards.

OOC: The secretariat has ruled multiple times that banning some things that would be required in an ideal form of an ideology is legal.

OOC: None of that addresses the abysmal definitions given in the draft for Socialism and Communism...

[Separatist Peoples]

To say nothing of using basic grammar and legal writing standards.

OOC: The secretariat has ruled multiple times that banning some things that would be required in an ideal form of an ideology is legal.

OOC: Those situations generally didn't involve bad faith writing. As far as I can tell, this is an attempt to manipulate and deceive, and I believe that merits greater scrutiny. Especially since you define Socialism and Communism as what amounts to the opposite of their accepted meanings.

I'm happy to be overruled. I'd rather have a clear picture of the ruleset than be right. But your bad faith writing leads me to believe this is more exclusive than it looks on its face, and would violate that rule.

[The United Human Consciousness]

OOC: Is this banning Socialism and Communism or Capitalism? Under Communism the nation does control sensitive industries. Not only is this illegal it also makes no sense.

[Old Hope]

OOC: The secretariat has ruled multiple times that banning some things that would be required in an ideal form of an ideology is legal.

OOC: Those situations generally didn't involve bad faith writing. As far as I can tell, this is an attempt to manipulate and deceive, and I believe that merits greater scrutiny. Especially since you define Socialism and Communism as what amounts to the opposite of their accepted meanings.

I'm happy to be overruled. I'd rather have a clear picture of the ruleset than be right. But your bad faith writing leads me to believe this is more exclusive than it looks on its face, and would violate that rule.

OOC: I have restricted this to food and drinking water to avoid things to go out of control(which would make it illegal in your opinion).

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Those situations generally didn't involve bad faith writing. As far as I can tell, this is an attempt to manipulate and deceive, and I believe that merits greater scrutiny. Especially since you define Socialism and Communism as what amounts to the opposite of their accepted meanings.

I'm happy to be overruled. I'd rather have a clear picture of the ruleset than be right. But your bad faith writing leads me to believe this is more exclusive than it looks on its face, and would violate that rule.

OOC: I have restricted this to food and drinking water to avoid things to go out of control(which would make it illegal in your opinion).

OOC: That goes a long way to rectifying the Ideological Ban issue. Narrowing the scope seems to have rectified my complaint. This still violates the Originality rule by conflicting with NEF and possibly extant water access rights in the GA. Those are not common resolutions, so I have to look into it. Right to Adequate Sanitation comes to mind.

And my comments about the appalling grammar and structure stand. This violates basically every legal writing standard I know.

[The New California Republic]

OOC: Those situations generally didn't involve bad faith writing. As far as I can tell, this is an attempt to manipulate and deceive, and I believe that merits greater scrutiny. Especially since you define Socialism and Communism as what amounts to the opposite of their accepted meanings.

I'm happy to be overruled. I'd rather have a clear picture of the ruleset than be right. But your bad faith writing leads me to believe this is more exclusive than it looks on its face, and would violate that rule.

OOC: I have restricted this to food and drinking water to avoid things to go out of control(which would make it illegal in your opinion).

OOC: To be honest this entire draft is just an unsalvageable train wreck. Just abandon it. Please.

[Old Hope]

OOC:This still violates the Originality rule by conflicting with NEF and possibly extant water access rights in the GA.

OOC:Originality rule? Please clarify.
I already acknowledged that NEF needs to be repealed.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: I have restricted this to food and drinking water to avoid things to go out of control(which would make it illegal in your opinion).

OOC: To be honest this entire draft is just an unsalvageable train wreck. Just abandon it. Please.

Ooc: Old hope has no interest in quality writing nor good policy. They have consistently demonstrated disinterest in feedback. Save your breath.

[Wrapper]

OOC: Old Hope, for the record, do you have any interest in making this proposal legal? Or are you just trying to rules-lawyer your way into making changes to the ideological ban rule or to reverse previous rulings? If the former, you have a lot of work to do to make this legal. If the latter, then this draft is in bad faith, and I suggest a [DISCUSSION] thread instead, using clauses from a draft like this as an example, rather than wasting everyone's time with a draft you have no intention of submitting.

[New Neruda]

This seems more to me like you're trying to ban capitalism.