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[PASSED] Repeal "Crime and Punishment"

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Postby New Min » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:16 am

"Congratulations to the Ambassador of UM. Even though we do not support it, we have to admit you clearly took the win."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:44 am

Jocospor wrote:
DSR wrote:OOC: While what you've said is much more realistic and conducive to interesting roleplay, the "magical compliance" school of thought has taken hold, wherein it is literally impossible not to have perfect compliance with WA law.


But what is possible is that WA compliance commissions are themselves perfect? We'll always contest that. [OOC: We'll contest that in-character, we know full well how the game is regrettably engineered.]

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:I will point out the reason I am unsympathetic to your argument: it's based on the cheesiest, campiest, most masturbatory possible interpretation of mandatory compliance imaginable.


Such enthusiastic language, dear friend! Of course, we knew the General Secretariat was unrepresentative of the NationStates community and biased towards its own agenda - now we know it's rude as well.


OOC: GenSec is an OOC entity. We don't have an IC agenda as an organization. We also don't represent the community when we act in an enforcement capacity. We only represent the community when we make changes to the rules. C'mon. This isn't hard.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:47 am

New Min wrote:"Congratulations to the Ambassador of UM. Even though we do not support it, we have to admit you clearly took the win."

Thank you and thank you to everyone who voted for this. First repeal, next replace!

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:32 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:We only represent the community when we make changes to the rules. C'mon. This isn't hard.

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Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:33 pm

Does this mean that until there is a replacement summary executions are legal?

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Zone 71
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[PASSED] Repeal "Crime and Punishment"

Postby Zone 71 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:15 pm

Azadistan-land of the free wrote:Does this mean that until there is a replacement summary executions are legal?

"Yup," Rooke grumbled. "And torture of all sorts, the execution of innocents, especially children, and all that. But don't worry!" the ambassador exclaimed with a disingenuous voice, "because we'll be eliminating the 'objectively evil' practice of capitol punishment within our pristine, hallowed halls! Thanks United Massachusetts!"

After a stern glare from his secretary, the frustrated man tried to regain his composure. Giving exasperated breath, Rooke continues, "Without 'Crime and Punishment,' civilians are at risk of being charged with crimes they didn't commit while being stripped of the right of due process. Torture and executions towards innocents - both adults and youths alike - are no longer illegal under World Assembly legislation. And rather than address this in their 'replacement' of the now-repealed bill, the delegation of United Massachusetts has decided to turn a blind eye towards this injustice and continue its petty campaign against capitol punishment. Unless to appeal for votes and approval, it's very clear that the delegation has no intention to do anything about it."

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Postby Marcianus » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:48 pm

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Marcianus wrote:
Yeah, and you can only do that by banning capital punishment, instead of, well, by improving your terrible nation in the first place? Hell, with that logic, we should ban guns, they protect people, but they can be used badly as well.

OOC: Hey, please share your nation's secret for an absolutely perfect criminal justice system that under no circumstances incorrectly sentences people to prison. The pleb countries of the world with mere mortal justice systems would love to know.


If you need me to tell you how to run your government, that is just pathetic. Although I wouldn't be surprised by the lack of common sense and leadership skills people have if they think banning capital punishment will help anything.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:54 pm

Lol, caveating omniscience, this House believes it is correct.

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