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Postby The Eternal Kawaii » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:15 pm

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We are hesitant to support this proposal, as we do not know how it would affect traditional Kawaiian funerary rites. Kawaiians neither bury nor cremate our dead; instead, we take them to a funeral tower, and there leave the body in an open crypt to be consumed by scavenger birds. The bones are allowed to bleach clean for a few years, then the crypt is swept out for reuse, and the bones of its former resident are used to decorate the tower.

We note that this could be deemed "molestation of a grave", as defined in the text of the proposal: "mutilation of interred remains, except in the requirements of an autopsy or a criminal investigation". Unless it is clear that our people's funerary practices will not be condemned by the proposal, we cannot support it.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:05 am

OOC: This is not currently submitted and should have "DRAFT" instead of "SUBMITTED" in the thread title.

Also, Erithaca, put something in the first post about you also being Fecaw, to avoid people thinking you've put up someone else's draft. And the flag picture is unnecessarily big. And unnecessary just generally.

I'll do a better see-through after I've come back home today, but on 1.b.; scarring only happens when the body heals a wound. Dead bodies don't heal, therefore you can't scar them.
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:39 am

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We are hesitant to support this proposal, as we do not know how it would affect traditional Kawaiian funerary rites. Kawaiians neither bury nor cremate our dead; instead, we take them to a funeral tower, and there leave the body in an open crypt to be consumed by scavenger birds. The bones are allowed to bleach clean for a few years, then the crypt is swept out for reuse, and the bones of its former resident are used to decorate the tower.

We note that this could be deemed "molestation of a grave", as defined in the text of the proposal: "mutilation of interred remains, except in the requirements of an autopsy or a criminal investigation". Unless it is clear that our people's funerary practices will not be condemned by the proposal, we cannot support it.

“That is a good point, as traditions of sky burial, water burial and animistic burial are very common in some societies, and are left in a legal loophole by this proposal. I strongly suggest to the authoring delegation that other forms of respecting the dead are considered, even if that involves simple a clause clarifying they are not affected by this proposal.”
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Postby Capercom » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:05 am

The Eternal Kawaii wrote:In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We are hesitant to support this proposal, as we do not know how it would affect traditional Kawaiian funerary rites. Kawaiians neither bury nor cremate our dead; instead, we take them to a funeral tower, and there leave the body in an open crypt to be consumed by scavenger birds. The bones are allowed to bleach clean for a few years, then the crypt is swept out for reuse, and the bones of its former resident are used to decorate the tower.

We note that this could be deemed "molestation of a grave", as defined in the text of the proposal: "mutilation of interred remains, except in the requirements of an autopsy or a criminal investigation". Unless it is clear that our people's funerary practices will not be condemned by the proposal, we cannot support it.


Not quite so poetic and bird focused, Capercom's President Benz wants his body to be dropped off via small plane into the jungle and give it back to the earth that way. I fear the language of this Proposal may be interpreted to interfere with President Benz' wishes.
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Postby DeltaSource » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:21 pm

Erithaca wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:By what mechanism are the dead endowed with rights?


Their previous state of being alive gives them the right to control their body. This proposal will also endow them with rights if passed.


Um....... yeah....... well here in DeltaSource, we dont really care about last rights that much, i would recommend that you make it legal for the authorities to have the final say
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:05 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Once you've heard the climactic tagline, actually seeing the film seems kind of redundant.

Lol, agreed. It's like if you wrote a mystery novel and then you've been fully spoiled on it. There's not much of a reason to watch unless they've done an excellent job simply in presentation. (For example, because this is one of the more disappointing spoilers I've had, "Dragon Age: Inquisition" definitely does a good job presenting everything that comes up in Trespasser, and trust me, if you haven't played the game, you don't want to look that up. Also, it's really cheap on Origin right now, so go get it.)

Still no mechanism here for why dead people are endowed with rights that do not also endow your skin flakes with rights and then put forward a troubling conception of consent. Still unclear on why deceased people intrinsically have rights.

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Postby Blueflarst » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:01 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:By what mechanism are the dead endowed with rights?

You just showed us your fake liberalism and your no rights policy to deceased people which should have right to a holy tomb you are evil

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Postby Blueflarst » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:05 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Once you've heard the climactic tagline, actually seeing the film seems kind of redundant.

Lol, agreed. It's like if you wrote a mystery novel and then you've been fully spoiled on it. There's not much of a reason to watch unless they've done an excellent job simply in presentation. (For example, because this is one of the more disappointing spoilers I've had, "Dragon Age: Inquisition" definitely does a good job presenting everything that comes up in Trespasser, and trust me, if you haven't played the game, you don't want to look that up. Also, it's really cheap on Origin right now, so go get it.)

Still no mechanism here for why dead people are endowed with rights that do not also endow your skin flakes with rights and then put forward a troubling conception of consent. Still unclear on why deceased people intrinsically have rights.

HEAR ME WELL PEOPLE DO NOT RIGTHS AFTER DEAD BADASS THE RIGHT TO A TOMB IS SACRED AND YOU CAN NOT JUST AVOIDING THE PEOPLES DESIRES TO BE BURIED
YOU ARE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE TOXIC LIBERALISM ONLY CARES FOR HIS VOTERS DUE THE FACT THA DEADS DO NOT VOTE YOU WANT TO REMOVE POST MORTEM RIGHTS
IN PRACTICALLY ALL THE CULTURES THE DEAD HAD RIGHTS AND YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THA CORRUPTED LIBERAL
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Postby Jebslund » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:15 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Once you've heard the climactic tagline, actually seeing the film seems kind of redundant.

Lol, agreed. It's like if you wrote a mystery novel and then you've been fully spoiled on it. There's not much of a reason to watch unless they've done an excellent job simply in presentation. (For example, because this is one of the more disappointing spoilers I've had, "Dragon Age: Inquisition" definitely does a good job presenting everything that comes up in Trespasser, and trust me, if you haven't played the game, you don't want to look that up. Also, it's really cheap on Origin right now, so go get it.)

Still no mechanism here for why dead people are endowed with rights that do not also endow your skin flakes with rights and then put forward a troubling conception of consent. Still unclear on why deceased people intrinsically have rights.

[OOC: Eh, I've always been more interested in *how* the thing happens than what the thing is, so spoilers don't usually make me less inclined to read/watch something (unless it's a really stupid twist/ending). In fact, sometimes, having a twist spoiled in a series I had started but not finished made me *more* eager to finish it, since it was something so unexpected that I *had* to see how it came about. Then there's the times when I know the ending and it gets me more invested in solving the mystery with the characters by way of looking for hints to the ending, rather than just watching the story play out.

I started watching FMA Brotherhood again with my now-ex (still friends, though) about six months ago, and there are scenes that are even more interesting to me now that I know the twists and ending and am catching bits of foreshadowing that I missed the first time watching.

As to the dead, it's mostly cultural/religious things, I'd imagine, which begs the question of why this is *international* law. Different societies have different funeral rites, after all.

EDIT: Malicious desecration. I get the reasoning, but that's still something that seems more appropriately handled on the national level, rather than international.]
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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:41 pm

Blueflarst wrote:You just showed us your fake liberalism and your no rights policy to deceased people which should have right to a holy tomb you are evil
Blueflarst wrote:HEAR ME WELL PEOPLE DO NOT RIGTHS AFTER DEAD BADASS THE RIGHT TO A TOMB IS SACRED AND YOU CAN NOT JUST AVOIDING THE PEOPLES DESIRES TO BE BURIED
YOU ARE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THE TOXIC LIBERALISM ONLY CARES FOR HIS VOTERS DUE THE FACT THA DEADS DO NOT VOTE YOU WANT TO REMOVE POST MORTEM RIGHTS
IN PRACTICALLY ALL THE CULTURES THE DEAD HAD RIGHTS AND YOU WILL NOT CHANGE THA CORRUPTED LIBERAL

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Postby Fecaw » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:23 pm

:o Why are people yelling?

Capercom wrote:
The Eternal Kawaii wrote:In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We are hesitant to support this proposal, as we do not know how it would affect traditional Kawaiian funerary rites. Kawaiians neither bury nor cremate our dead; instead, we take them to a funeral tower, and there leave the body in an open crypt to be consumed by scavenger birds. The bones are allowed to bleach clean for a few years, then the crypt is swept out for reuse, and the bones of its former resident are used to decorate the tower.

We note that this could be deemed "molestation of a grave", as defined in the text of the proposal: "mutilation of interred remains, except in the requirements of an autopsy or a criminal investigation". Unless it is clear that our people's funerary practices will not be condemned by the proposal, we cannot support it.


Not quite so poetic and bird focused, Capercom's President Benz wants his body to be dropped off via small plane into the jungle and give it back to the earth that way. I fear the language of this Proposal may be interpreted to interfere with President Benz' wishes.
Seeing as he is the President, he can probably afford it.
I will add a clause about cultural ways of respecting the dead.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Jan 15, 2019 1:29 am

Fecaw wrote:Seeing as he is the President, he can probably afford it.
I will add a clause about cultural ways of respecting the dead.

OOC: Affording it is besides the point, if mangling dead bodies is forbidden. What do you think will happen to a dead body when it's dropped from a plane without a parachute?

Also, you still have "scarring" in the text. Dead bodies do not scar, as scarring is part of the healing process that requires the body to be alive.

Additionally, the "dismemberment" would seem to ban harvesting the body for or transplantable organs, or in general the deceased donating their body for science.
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