
by Qumkent » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:50 am

by Tiesabre » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:58 am

by Qumkent » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:05 am
Tiesabre wrote:Having a "World Assembly Gemological Quality Standardisation Committee" seems redundant as that would be something the a nation's own trade department would investigate.

by Bears Armed » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:48 am

by Qumkent » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:58 am

by Bears Armed » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:32 am
Qumkent wrote:O.O.C. I had written it for Free trade since internationalised standards of this kind reduce the burdens and expenses incurred on traders to test gems themselves or alternatively seek expensive and time consuming redress in court for having bought fraudulent gems or being sued or otherwise made liable for selling them unwittingly, the consumer confidence aspect will also increase consumption. I had thought Mild as strength.

by Qumkent » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:58 am
Bears Armed wrote:Qumkent wrote:O.O.C. I had written it for Free trade since internationalised standards of this kind reduce the burdens and expenses incurred on traders to test gems themselves or alternatively seek expensive and time consuming redress in court for having bought fraudulent gems or being sued or otherwise made liable for selling them unwittingly, the consumer confidence aspect will also increase consumption. I had thought Mild as strength.
OOC: A strength of 'Mild' should be okay, I think, given the relatively small scale of the gem trade... but the category could be a problem. I would probably accept an argument for 'Free Trade', although given the official NS definition of 'Free Trade' I'd like to see a preambulatory clause that specifically called differing standards in different nations an impediment to this trade, but of course I'm not a Mod (and I am the player who, long ago, managed to get a NSUN resolution on setting up an international weather-forecasting organisation passed under this category...) and the Mods have said a time or three that proposals about setting international standards for various matters belong in the 'International Standards' category that we've been waiting for in vain for quite a while now...
I'd certainly try for 'Free Trade', but... hr'rmm ... maybe you could try drafting a 'Moral Decency' argument for it, as an alternative, too?

by Bears Armed » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:07 am
Qumkent wrote:O.O.C.
Thank you that's really helpful, I suppose if I wrote it for Moral Decency it would concentrate a bit more on the criminal aspect of the trade in fraudulent gems and how this trade is extremely lucrative for dangerous international crime gangs and such.

by Qumkent » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:54 am
Bears Armed wrote:
Would these international standards apply in the case of intranational trade within member nations, too? Would you allow the continued use of nations' "traditional" rules alongside these new ones, at least for intra-national trade?

by Absolvability » Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:45 am

by Quintessence of Dust » Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:13 am

by Qumkent » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:31 am
Quintessence of Dust wrote:I can't help feel that, off the bat, this might suffer from its title, which sounds very dry and arcane. Some catchier possibilities:
Conflict Diamonds Act
Conflict Gems Act
Blood Diamond Act
Combat Resources Act
Jennifer Connelly's Thighs Act
This is a topic I know nothing about but I do wonder whether the committee needs to found its own laboratory: can't it just use existing ones in member nations, once it's certified them?
-- Samantha Benson
Congressional Liaison, Office of WA Affairs

by Qumkent » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:33 am
Absolvability wrote:I've been observing this for a while, and can't say as I disagree with it. However, gems seem to be a fairly specific matter... and I'm curious whether or not this would interfere with a future resolution dealing with fraudulant sales in general?

by Absolvability » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:54 am

by Qumkent » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:24 am
Absolvability wrote:I'd rather not pick nits, as it were. I was simply interested in somebody else's opinion on the thought. This coming first and all... if someone were to draft something more broad, it might be interpretted to encompass gems as well, which would be seen as an amendment... or, if one did their homework very well, a duplication.
However, if vagueness can be practiced appropriately... and you do not think this body would be so pedantic, I am satisfied. Thank you for addressing my concern.

by Bears Armed » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:26 am
Absolvability wrote:I'd rather not pick nits, as it were. I was simply interested in somebody else's opinion on the thought. This coming first and all... if someone were to draft something more broad, it might be interpretted to encompass gems as well, which would be seen as an amendment... or, if one did their homework very well, a duplication.
However, if vagueness can be practiced appropriately... and you do not think this body would be so pedantic, I am satisfied. Thank you for addressing my concern.

by Absolvability » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:53 pm
Bears Armed wrote:..."except as specified by any earlier resolutions that are still in force"...

by Sionis Prioratus » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:20 pm

by Qumkent » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:13 pm
Sionis Prioratus wrote:I agree with the principles behind the text, and the text certainly seems qualified.
We share with Hon. Del. Benson the concerns about the title's appeal to a broader audience. (We concede, however, everything's a matter of style).
Given the specificity of the topic, I most certainly concur a "mild" would be the most agreeable.
One substantive concern though: What about gem(stone)s produced by means of nanotech/attotech-assembly? Those most certainly possess indistiguishable verissimilitude to "natural" and even may have some "beauty parameters" enhanced. What about them?
Yours truly,

by Qumkent » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:02 am
by Charlotte Ryberg » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:16 am

by Qumkent » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:28 am
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:This draft is looking good honoured ambassador.
Now, some ethical suggestions: I would be more happy if action can be taken to prevent the import of diamonds mined in a war zone and sold to finance an insurgency, the invading army's war efforts or a warlord's activity, or allow member states to boycott them.

by Bears Armed » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:39 am

by Qumkent » Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:54 am
Bears Armed wrote:I can't actually tell from this draft's wording, is it intended to apply only to "loose" gemstones or would it cover ones that have already been set into jewelery too? If the latter is the case then, although you obviously could (if space allows) mandate the testing of any gems that are going to be newly incorporated into items, selling any items that were produced before this passes would (unless they were specifically exempted from its terms) become rather difficult...

by Bears Armed » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:01 am
Qumkent wrote:Bears Armed wrote:I can't actually tell from this draft's wording, is it intended to apply only to "loose" gemstones or would it cover ones that have already been set into jewelery too? If the latter is the case then, although you obviously could (if space allows) mandate the testing of any gems that are going to be newly incorporated into items, selling any items that were produced before this passes would (unless they were specifically exempted from its terms) become rather difficult...
It covers all Gemstones, set or otherwise. There is no need to exempt pieces which contain both natural and artificial gems since such pieces should not be allowed to be sold as containing only natural gems. Henceforth vendors of such pieces would be required to specify which of the stones contained in them were natural and which were not, they would also have to state what quality the natural gems contained in them were. There is no need to exempt the frauds of the past while banning banning the frauds of the future is there your Excellency ?
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