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[Draft] Interstellar sovereignty Act

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Flemingisa
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[Draft] Interstellar sovereignty Act

Postby Flemingisa » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:32 pm

Hello all! I posted this 3 years ago and I kind of forgot about it. I am putting it back on here with some changes in hopes that I can receive some feedback. Thank you in advance!

By:Flemingisa
Catergory:Political Stability
Strength:Mild

Noting that multiple World Assembly members have achieved Interplanetary travel and Interstellar travel.

Further Noting that some of these members have colonized many planets in their goals goal of preserving their culture and way of life.

Concerned that many nations have claimed non-colonized planets for themselves even if they do not have any interest in colonizing said planets or using them for raw materials.

Hoping to encourage future space exploration among presently non-space faring nations and to allow them the opportunity to expand among the stars.

Requiring World assembly nations relinquish claims on all celestial bodies that,

A). Are not being actively colonized or within 50 years of the initial territorial claim by said nation.

B). Are not being harvested for raw materials within 50 years of the initial territorial claim.

C). Have not been visited or explored within 50 years of the initial territorial claim.

2.C). Exemptions will be granted to member nations where travel time to intended locations will take longer than 50 years.

Clarifying that claims of land due to results from Treaties of War are valid in so far as international law is concerned.

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Postby The First German Order » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:42 pm

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:18 pm

OOC: If this was set in Real Life, in 4 years we (everyone on Earth) would lose the rights to our Moon (50 years since it was last visited), and it could be claimed by any WA member nation anywhere, whether or not it took them more than 50 years to travel here.

I'm fairly sure that's not a consequence you were planning to have happen.

Perhaps a further excemption could be made for celestial bodies in a solar system where member nations already exist?
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Postby Tinfect » Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:28 pm

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A 'sovereignty' act that forces Member-States to relinquish territorial claims for arbitrary and impractical reasons rather leads me to question your understanding of its definition.
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:17 pm

Tinfect wrote:OOC:
A 'sovereignty' act that forces Member-States to relinquish territorial claims for arbitrary and impractical reasons rather leads me to question your understanding of its definition.

OOC: Perhaps they consider it a sovereignty act, in that it mandates the relinquishing of sovereignty.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:37 am

The proper category is Global Disarmament

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:12 am

United Massachusetts wrote:The proper category is Global Disarmament

OOC: How?

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Postby Kenmoria » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:06 am

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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:12 am

A turtle, hiding in the vents and overhearing the discussion on this Resolution, speaks up to those below him.

"Ya know, this here's a real good Resolution, but it's got some problems. Namely, as othuhs have said, it binds all nations, which means they cain't claim nat-chuh-ral sat'lites or, as others said, that the Americalandese government, which landed on the moon in 1969, couldn't lay claim to it 'cause fifty years have passed."

The turtle nodded, though no one saw him do it.

"What I reccomend the esteemed authuh to do is amend the text to read that it only binds nations capable of effective interstellar spaceflight. What do ya'll think?"
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Postby Wallenburg » Wed Mar 21, 2018 9:58 am

TURTLESHROOM II wrote:A turtle, hiding in the vents and overhearing the discussion on this Resolution, speaks up to those below him.

"Ya know, this here's a real good Resolution, but it's got some problems. Namely, as othuhs have said, it binds all nations, which means they cain't claim nat-chuh-ral sat'lites or, as others said, that the Americalandese government, which landed on the moon in 1969, couldn't lay claim to it 'cause fifty years have passed."

The turtle nodded, though no one saw him do it.

"What I reccomend the esteemed authuh to do is amend the text to read that it only binds nations capable of effective interstellar spaceflight. What do ya'll think?"

"Resolutions must apply to all member states. It would be illegal for the author to submit a proposal with the suggested change."
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Postby Xmara » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:04 pm

“Is this even a necessary resolution? Not to mention, planets with moons that they claim but don’t visit or use could be claimed by other nations, which is really unfair. Opposed.”
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Postby Flemingisa » Thu Mar 22, 2018 3:08 am

Sorry for the inactivity but I have been extremely busy. I shall respond promptly to all questions and comments in a few hours when I wake up. Thank you! :)

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:01 am

Flemingisa wrote:Sorry for the inactivity but I have been extremely busy. I shall respond promptly to all questions and comments in a few hours when I wake up. Thank you! :)

OOC: Sleep well! :)
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:46 am

"I would change the comma on the requiring clause to a colon."
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:44 pm

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Flemingisa wrote:Catergory:Political Stability


OOC: This may be a category violation. I don't see how this affects a nation's stability in any way.

Flemingisa wrote:Noting that multiple World Assembly members have achieved Interplanetary travel and Interstellar travel.


Teran Saber: "About time someone recognized this."

Flemingisa wrote:Further Noting that some of these members have colonized many planets in their goals goal of preserving their culture and way of life.


Teran Saber: "As well as other reasons. Such as access to strategic or luxury resources, additional fertile land to feed their growing population..."

Flemingisa wrote:Concerned that many nations have claimed non-colonized planets for themselves even if they do not have any interest in colonizing said planets or using them for raw materials.


Teran Saber: "...jump points between populated systems, classified research bases, military buffer zones along hostile borders, mitigation and prevention of space piracy, cultural or religious purposes, observation of primitive natives, observation of a nearby celestrial object such as a black hole or neutron star, tourism, etc. Even systems that are completely barren of resources and left uncolonized may still have a use."

Flemingisa wrote:Hoping to encourage future space exploration among presently non-space faring nations and to allow them the opportunity to expand among the stars.


Teran Saber: "No argument."

Flemingisa wrote: Requiring World assembly nations relinquish claims on all celestial bodies that,

A). Are not being actively colonized or within 50 years of the initial territorial claim by said nation.

B). Are not being harvested for raw materials within 50 years of the initial territorial claim.

C). Have not been visited or explored within 50 years of the initial territorial claim.

2.C). Exemptions will be granted to member nations where travel time to intended locations will take longer than 50 years.


Teran Saber: "Again, as stated above a planet can still be useful even if it's not going to be colonized or exploited."

Flemingisa wrote:Clarifying that claims of land due to results from Treaties of War are valid in so far as international law is concerned.


Teran Saber: "Not that it really matters. Your proposal doesn't even mention it anyway."

"Ultimately, this proposal is fundamentally flawed due to the narrow mindset it's based on. Not all starfaring nations are focused entirely on colonizing and/or consuming resources."
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Postby Kenmoria » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:32 am

"I would change the name of clauses 2.C to “D”."
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.


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