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Postby Araraukar » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:05 am

Recheve wrote:... What? A democratic vote is designed specifically to make each individual count equally.

OOC: Not in NSWA. Regional Delegates have one additional vote for every endorsement they have. It's very far from "one nation, one vote", and you can easily win a vote with just delegate votes, even if more individual nations voted against you than for you.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:06 am

Araraukar wrote:
Recheve wrote:... What? A democratic vote is designed specifically to make each individual count equally.

OOC: Not in NSWA. Regional Delegates have one additional vote for every endorsement they have. It's very far from "one nation, one vote", and you can easily win a vote with just delegate votes, even if more individual nations voted against you than for you.

OOC: Yup, exactly. Not all nations are equal in the World Assembly, not by a long shot. The regional votes have skewed the results many times.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Recheve
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:37 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Not in NSWA. Regional Delegates have one additional vote for every endorsement they have. It's very far from "one nation, one vote", and you can easily win a vote with just delegate votes, even if more individual nations voted against you than for you.

OOC: Yup, exactly. Not all nations are equal in the World Assembly, not by a long shot. The regional votes have skewed the results many times.


What? I know I'm new to this, but are you not incredibly dissatisfied with that process?
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:39 am

Recheve wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Yup, exactly. Not all nations are equal in the World Assembly, not by a long shot. The regional votes have skewed the results many times.


What? I know I'm new to this, but are you not incredibly dissatisfied with that process?

Seeing as WA nations elect the regional delegate, it helps keep the WA interesting without too much unfairness. However, there are some who would disagree.
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The First German Order
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Postby The First German Order » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:39 am

Recheve wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Yup, exactly. Not all nations are equal in the World Assembly, not by a long shot. The regional votes have skewed the results many times.


What? I know I'm new to this, but are you not incredibly dissatisfied with that process?

OOC: A good bit of people are, but they can’t do much unless they submit a suggestion to the site admins and hope that they’ll approve of it. Even then it’d take a while and would most likely get rejected.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:47 am

"There needs to be the word “of” between “use” and “bladed” in the first active clause."
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Recheve
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:49 am

The First German Order wrote:OOC: A good bit of people are, but they can’t do much unless they submit a suggestion to the site admins and hope that they’ll approve of it. Even then it’d take a while and would most likely get rejected.


Can't we form a coalition of reformist nations, endorse one another and form independent regions, then use our new power to prevent new legislation from being passed until changes are made?
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Postby The First German Order » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:53 am

Recheve wrote:
The First German Order wrote:OOC: A good bit of people are, but they can’t do much unless they submit a suggestion to the site admins and hope that they’ll approve of it. Even then it’d take a while and would most likely get rejected.


Can't we form a coalition of reformist nations, endorse one another and form independent regions, then use our new power to prevent new legislation from being passed until changes are made?

OOC: That sounds unnecessarily complicated and unnecessary. I doubt it would do much since there’s other more people who are fine with it and there are more influencial delegates.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:54 am

Recheve wrote:
The First German Order wrote:OOC: A good bit of people are, but they can’t do much unless they submit a suggestion to the site admins and hope that they’ll approve of it. Even then it’d take a while and would most likely get rejected.


Can't we form a coalition of reformist nations, endorse one another and form independent regions, then use our new power to prevent new legislation from being passed until changes are made?

OOC: Highly unlikely to ever happen. To get that kind of power would involve thousands of nations.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Recheve
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:06 pm

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Highly unlikely to ever happen. To get that kind of power would involve thousands of nations.


So you take the World Assembly seriously enough to consider this proposal undeserving of discussion let alone consideration, yet don't take it seriously enough to challenge obvious corruption in a redundant system?

In fact, if I were more confrontational, why would I even consider your perspective on my proposal to be relevant? Clearly, as a Member and Delegate, you have absolutely no power whatsoever, and the only opinions I should listen to are the Delegates.

From what I'm hearing, the World Assembly is just an oligarchy thriving off the complacency of an unengaged support base. Membership in the WA is meaningless, and only serves to widen the control of NS elites.
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:08 pm

(OOC: Back on topic, what is the strength of the proposal?)
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Recheve
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:10 pm

I'm officially resigning from the World Assembly, and will no longer promote or support this proposal. If anybody wishes to take it up, they should feel welcome to copy and paste the proposal as they see fit.
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:11 pm

Recheve wrote:I'm officially resigning from the World Assembly, and will no longer promote or support this proposal. If anybody wishes to take it up, they should feel welcome to copy and paste the proposal as they see fit.

(OOC: If that is the case, change the tag in the title from [DRAFT] to [ABANDONED].)
Hello! I’m a GAer and NS Roleplayer from the United Kingdom.
My pronouns are he/him.
Any posts that I make as GenSec will be clearly marked as such and OOC. Conversely, my IC ambassador in the General Assembly is Ambassador Fortier. I’m always happy to discuss ideas about proposals, particularly if grammar or wording are in issue. I am also Executive Deputy Minister for the WA Ministry of TNP.
Kenmoria is an illiberal yet democratic nation pursuing the goals of communism in a semi-effective fashion. It has a very broad diplomatic presence despite being economically developing, mainly to seek help in recovering from the effect of a recent civil war. Read the factbook here for more information; perhaps, I will eventually finish it.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:13 pm

Recheve wrote:I'm officially resigning from the World Assembly, and will no longer promote or support this proposal. If anybody wishes to take it up, they should feel welcome to copy and paste the proposal as they see fit.

:?

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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:15 pm

Recheve wrote:I'm officially resigning from the World Assembly, and will no longer promote or support this proposal. If anybody wishes to take it up, they should feel welcome to copy and paste the proposal as they see fit.

IC: Ambassador Hsu hears the news with sadness. "Oh no, we chased out another one!" he exclaims.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:18 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Recheve wrote:I'm officially resigning from the World Assembly, and will no longer promote or support this proposal. If anybody wishes to take it up, they should feel welcome to copy and paste the proposal as they see fit.

IC: Ambassador Hsu hears the news with sadness. "Oh no, we chased out another one!" he exclaims.

IC (OOC): No, their departure was because the WA (and game) would not change the GA rules (and Game programming) to suit their whim.
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Postby The First German Order » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:21 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:IC: Ambassador Hsu hears the news with sadness. "Oh no, we chased out another one!" he exclaims.

IC (OOC): No, their departure was because the WA (and game) would not change the GA rules (and Game programming) to suit their whim.

“So we indirectly chased ‘em out?”
OOC: That seems a bit selfish/greedy. Like the site admins don’t have the time to change the programming just because someone thinks something is a bit unfair.
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The New California Republic
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:27 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:IC: Ambassador Hsu hears the news with sadness. "Oh no, we chased out another one!" he exclaims.

IC (OOC): No, their departure was because the WA (and game) would not change the GA rules (and Game programming) to suit their whim.

OOC: Well, yes and no, it was our pointing out the rules of the game that led to it, so...I guess that makes us part responsible or something.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:33 pm

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Well, yes and no, it was our pointing out the rules of the game that led to it, so...I guess that makes us part responsible or something.


No I just hadn't fully grasped the functions and structure of the World Assembly before I attempted to take part in it, and now that I'm aware of it, it just seems an overly frustrating bureaucracy, which imposes laws upon me that I don't actually get to vote on (at least not in a way that matters).

I believe in democracy, and if there's no opportunity for me to change the WA for the better, then there's really no benefit yielded by membership. I'd rather make my own decisions, while focusing upon more rewarding aspects of the site while my independent interests are protected under a benevolent regional founder and delegate.
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Postby The First German Order » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:35 pm

Recheve wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Well, yes and no, it was our pointing out the rules of the game that led to it, so...I guess that makes us part responsible or something.


No I just hadn't fully grasped the functions and structure of the World Assembly before I attempted to take part in it, and now that I'm aware of it, it just seems an overly frustrating bureaucracy, which imposes laws upon me that I don't actually get to vote on (at least not in a way that matters).

I believe in democracy, and if there's no opportunity for me to change the WA for the better, then there's really no benefit yielded by membership. I'd rather make my own decisions, while focusing upon more rewarding aspects of the site while my independent interests are protected under a benevolent regional founder and delegate.

OOC: It is a democracy, but some people are more influential than others.
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:37 pm

The First German Order wrote:
Recheve wrote:
No I just hadn't fully grasped the functions and structure of the World Assembly before I attempted to take part in it, and now that I'm aware of it, it just seems an overly frustrating bureaucracy, which imposes laws upon me that I don't actually get to vote on (at least not in a way that matters).

I believe in democracy, and if there's no opportunity for me to change the WA for the better, then there's really no benefit yielded by membership. I'd rather make my own decisions, while focusing upon more rewarding aspects of the site while my independent interests are protected under a benevolent regional founder and delegate.

OOC: It is a democracy, but some people are more influential than others.

OOC: Just like real democracies actually.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Recheve
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:44 pm

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Just like real democracies actually.


It does show a distinct western flavour.

"That these nations shall not have been trolled in vain—that this website, under Max, shall have a new birth of "democracy"—and that the World Assembly of the delegates, by the delegates, for the delegates, shall not become influenced by the desires of the majority."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:50 pm

Recheve wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Well, yes and no, it was our pointing out the rules of the game that led to it, so...I guess that makes us part responsible or something.


No I just hadn't fully grasped the functions and structure of the World Assembly before I attempted to take part in it, and now that I'm aware of it, it just seems an overly frustrating bureaucracy, which imposes laws upon me that I don't actually get to vote on (at least not in a way that matters).

I believe in democracy, and if there's no opportunity for me to change the WA for the better, then there's really no benefit yielded by membership. I'd rather make my own decisions, while focusing upon more rewarding aspects of the site while my independent interests are protected under a benevolent regional founder and delegate.


Clearly you don't know how to manipulate the delegate votes.

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Recheve
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Postby Recheve » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:01 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Clearly you don't know how to manipulate the delegate votes.


Yeah I wouldn't exactly call myself Haile Selassie. I'm too confrontational to be a skilled manipulator.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:06 pm

Recheve wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Clearly you don't know how to manipulate the delegate votes.


Yeah I wouldn't exactly call myself Haile Selassie. I'm too confrontational to be a skilled manipulator.

With a good campaign, the delegate vote works in your favor. No need to quit the WA.

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