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The Vestokan Gun Reform Act is a very strict rule to help tighten gun control, and hopefully reduce the amount of shootings per year.
If this proposal passes, These following laws will be put into place.

--- REFORMS ---
1) To own a gun, you must not have over two crimes on your record and be over the age 0f 20, you must also own a guns license.

2) People may only own Handguns, Semi-Automatic Hunting Rifles, or Shotguns. ( muskets are ok too, but does anyone use them anymore? )

3) All gun stores will require 24/7 CCTV coverage and motion sensors in case of robbery.

4) Citizens are allowed to carry guns with them, however they must be holstered unless attacked. False-unholstering will result with a week in jail if caught.

5) If anyone attempts to commit a crime with a gun, Their guns license will be taken away from them permanently.

6) Guns are NOT allowed to be in/near the following places. ( these apply to citizens only )

A: Within several blocks of schools
B: Within a governmental building
C: Within a restaurant, or business.
D: Within another persons home ( excludes homeowners / family )

Failing to de-arm your self before entering any of the buildings above will result in a one month jail sentence.

IC: Pointless micromanagement, with incomprehensible and ineffective regulations.

OOC: And yes, black powder target shooting, competitions, and hunting are still a thing. The fact you are confused about something which could be found out in a 20 second internet search does not say good things about the effort which has gone into this, which from what I can tell is minimal, consisting primarily of memes and bumper stickers.

OOC: Welcome to the GA forums! Unfortunately your proposal will be marked illegal for contradiction and branding...
I’d give you a link to the proposal rules but I am currently unable to do so.

“I feel as if this infringes on many rights- they may not be applicable to other nations, but it infringes on several in our own Constitution. Exodia is known worldwide for its highly libertarian laws regarding firearms, such as permission to purchase and own a fully-automatic weapon with a magazine size of 50 or less rounds with a Class 1 license, the permission to buy firearms at the age of 18, as well as the complete abolition of gun-free zones. We have never had any shootings with fatalities higher than four in the past five years, especially with 1 in 5 citizens armed with a holstered weapon, either concealed or open-carried.

In addition, the third reform might infringe not on a right to bear arms, but rights to individual privacy; governments may require the use of surveillance cameras and motion detection devices by gun store owners, but they should not request constant footage or surveillance measures of their own without a warrant.

Overall, the reforms aside from the ones regarding my contradictions make perfect sense, but many nations should already have common-sense measures in place to prevent shootings.”

-Gerald D. Reclus, Exodian delegate to the World Assembly

(OOC: This is my first time posting in the General Assembly forum. Did I do good?)

Democratic Exodian Territories wrote:(OOC: This is my first time posting in the General Assembly forum. Did I do good well?)

Not bad for a first time. You were fine. However, I will note that 'my Constitution prohibits this' is a bad argument given GA 2, which states that 'Every WA Member State has the duty to carry out in good faith its obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law, including this World Assembly, and it may not invoke provisions in its constitution or its laws as an excuse for failure to perform this duty'.

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Also, to the OP, you should consult with Responsibility in Transferring Arms, which


This would seem to prohibit what you want to do, unless you can establish that your regulations only affect the sale or use of firearms 'by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action'.

“Against,” says Inan, Iksana’s intern. “Leaving aside that the proposal is illegal for branding, or that my nation will not support gun control proposals on principle, this proposal is just plain poorly written. The clauses themselves are silly, and using parentheses in a proposal, especially parentheses surrounding a question to the reader, is extremely unprofessional. You are writing a legal document, remember.”

“There also little things here and there. 20 what? Days? Months? Seconds? What exactly is “false-unholstering?” Why do you assume that all nations are capable of having stores with “24/7 CCTV coverage and motion sensors?” My nation, for example, doesn’t even have an electrical grid. Why do you randomly capitalize certain words?”

"No."

(OOC: Welcome to the General Assembly. This is very good for a first draft, but there are a few problems to iron out. The first is branding, the proposal cannot contain any nation's or region's name, so the title needs to be changed. Also check the rules for reference.)

“You where saying ambassador?” Eve says as she threateningly caresses the M249. “This bad boy just got a test run in the other chamber, ripped a stand and proposal to shreds. It would be a shame if something where to, ya know, happen” Eve said waving the gun in the direction of the ambassador

Thermodolia wrote:“You where saying ambassador?” Eve says as she threateningly caresses the M249. “This bad boy just got a test run in the other chamber, ripped a stand and proposal to shreds. It would be a shame if something where to, ya know, happen” Eve said waving the gun in the direction of the ambassador

"Actually, if you go and look closer, you merely covered the stand with marshmallows. The Weapons Nullifiers won't let you use lethal ammunition in the direction - or presense, depending on the explosiveness of the ammunition - of sapient beings."

OOC: Weapons Nullifiers exist exactly to stop people waving their guns about like that, or threatening others with them.

Araraukar wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:“You where saying ambassador?” Eve says as she threateningly caresses the M249. “This bad boy just got a test run in the other chamber, ripped a stand and proposal to shreds. It would be a shame if something where to, ya know, happen” Eve said waving the gun in the direction of the ambassador

"Actually, if you go and look closer, you merely covered the stand with marshmallows. The Weapons Nullifiers won't let you use lethal ammunition in the direction - or presense, depending on the explosiveness of the ammunition - of sapient beings."

OOC: Weapons Nullifiers exist exactly to stop people waving their guns about like that, or threatening others with them.

OOC: I thought there where, either way Eve is slightly out of it mentally. It’s the reason why she’s here in the first place and not rotting in some prison

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Weapons Nullifiers exist exactly to stop people waving their guns about like that, or threatening others with them.

OOC: Also because one noob claimed that his ambassador had brought in a 'suitcase nuke' and destroyed the entire building...

The weapons nullifiers only turn on when the weapon would attack some person.

((OOC: And presumably there are other people existing in the building, who wouldn’t like it if a stray bullet were to find them))

Communist Vestoka wrote:The Vestokan Gun Reform Act is a very strict rule to help tighten gun control, and hopefully reduce the amount of shootings per year.
If this proposal passes, These following laws will be put into place.

Teran Saber: "Please, at least try to make an argument as to why this is needed."

OOC: Nationstates is not the real world. The real world USA might be having a bit of a gun violence problem, but a nationstates nation roleplaying as an alternate reality USA could be completely clean of this... or a desolate post nuclear wasteland where self-defense takes priority.

Communist Vestoka wrote:--- REFORMS ---
1) To own a gun, you must not have over two crimes on your record

Teran Saber: "Why so many, and why treat violent and non-violent crimes the same? On the other side of the coin, why should the WA define this?"

Communist Vestoka wrote:and be over the age 0f 20,

Teran Saber: "Not all species in the World Assembly are human, and many age at different rates. Siriusians, for example, don't even come of age until 33, while Araset are fully mature at 12."

OOC: Specifying a specific age is a good way to get your proposal shot down at voting time. Just use "age of majority" instead.

Communist Vestoka wrote:you must also own a guns license.

Teran Saber: "No argument."

Communist Vestoka wrote:2) People may only own Handguns, Semi-Automatic Hunting Rifles, or Shotguns. ( muskets are ok too, but does anyone use them anymore? )

Teran Saber: "So, semi-automatic hunting rifles are allowed, but not semi-automatic rifles of other types, even though there's no difference except for form factor? I'm going to demand you put this on hold until you do some research, as the only difference between a semi-auto hunting rifle and a semi-auto assault rifle is the shape of the grip and stock. And on top of this, this legislation basically blanket-bans advanced firearms designs such as our own coilrifles, which are pretty much the standard civilian firearm in the Greater Siriusian Domain."

Communist Vestoka wrote:3) All gun stores will require 24/7 CCTV coverage and motion sensors in case of robbery.

Teran Saber: "You're enforcing common sense here."

Communist Vestoka wrote:4) Citizens are allowed to carry guns with them, however they must be holstered unless attacked. False-unholstering will result with a week in jail if caught.

Teran Saber: "Unenforceable."

Communist Vestoka wrote:5) If anyone attempts to commit a crime with a gun, Their guns license will be taken away from them permanently.

Teran Saber: "Again, why should the WA define this?"

Communist Vestoka wrote:6) Guns are NOT allowed to be in/near the following places. ( these apply to citizens only )

A: Within several blocks of schools
B: Within a governmental building
C: Within a restaurant, or business.
D: Within another persons home ( excludes homeowners / family )

Failing to de-arm your self before entering any of the buildings above will result in a one month jail sentence.

Teran Saber: "And again, why should the WA define this?"

"Gun control is an issue that is extremely difficult to handle with a one-size-fits-all resolution. It's far less problematic to let individual nations determine their own legislation with it."

Imperium Anglorum wrote:The weapons nullifiers only turn on when the weapon would attack some person.

OOC: Or whenever the writer theirself wants them to. But in the "shot up the stand", they were aiming at the speaker's podium in an active debate, so presumably the draft presenter was standing at it.

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:

Communist Vestoka wrote:and be over the age 0f 20,

Teran Saber: "Not all species in the World Assembly are human, and many age at different rates. Siriusians, for example, don't even come of age until 33, while Araset are fully mature at 12."

OOC: Specifying a specific age is a good way to get your proposal shot down at voting time. Just use "age of majority" instead.

OOC still: And setting such universal age limit makes this illegal for Contradiction of an existing resolution.

Araraukar wrote:

Imperium Anglorum wrote:The weapons nullifiers only turn on when the weapon would attack some person.

OOC: Or whenever the writer theirself wants them to. But in the "shot up the stand", they were aiming at the speaker's podium in an active debate, so presumably the draft presenter was standing at it.

ELSIE MORTIMER WELLESLEY: (Shoots through a double slit at one end of the atrium, it forms an interference pattern, and only hits where people are not standing – others receive interesting showers of confetti.)

Imperium Anglorum wrote:

Araraukar wrote:OOC: Or whenever the writer theirself wants them to. But in the "shot up the stand", they were aiming at the speaker's podium in an active debate, so presumably the draft presenter was standing at it.

ELSIE MORTIMER WELLESLEY: (Shoots through a double slit at one end of the atrium, it forms an interference pattern, and only hits where people are not standing – others receive interesting showers of confetti.)

OOC: I thought you thought that reacting to OOC posts in IC was a deplorable practice. And besides, other people can still ignore that and claim the nullifiers kicked in.

"The "Their" in clause 5 should be uncapitalised."