[DRAFT] Resolution for the Promotion of Clinical Standards

[The First German Order]

OOC: I'd suggest removing clause 8 all together seeing as permitting new medicines and whatnot would be more of a national government's job. That or make it something like "if a nation's government allows...".

((OOC: As the NBMCS is sort of an extension of government I think this would be just its field. Almost a mandated department with a handful of minimal requirements. It merely ensures that such decisions are made by an expert body, and if the national government wants to prohibit something then there is always Section17.

There is no specific name so as implied at the end of section 7 "National body for the maintenance of clinical standards", is referred to as NBMCS I could always spell that out more clearly though ))

OOC: Wouldn't that be more of a Department/Ministry of Health job?

[San Hieronymi]

((OOC: As the NBMCS is sort of an extension of government I think this would be just its field. Almost a mandated department with a handful of minimal requirements. It merely ensures that such decisions are made by an expert body, and if the national government wants to prohibit something then there is always Section17.

There is no specific name so as implied at the end of section 7 "National body for the maintenance of clinical standards", is referred to as NBMCS I could always spell that out more clearly though ))

OOC: Wouldn't that be more of a Department/Ministry of Health job?

((OOC: In the UK that job is done by NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence), it was thinking about NICE that set me on this track. This would ensure that each country was attempting to improve standards without interfering directly in their departmental systems and ensuring that medical professionals were in the driving seat. ))

[The First German Order]

OOC: Wouldn't that be more of a Department/Ministry of Health job?

((OOC: In the UK that job is done by NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence), it was thinking about NICE that set me on this track. This would ensure that each country was attempting to improve standards without interfering directly in their departmental systems and ensuring that medical professionals were in the driving seat. ))

OOC: But not all nations would want a (technically) non-government organization approving medicines, revoking doctor licenses (or something like that), inviting a WA organization to their nation, etc.

[Kenmoria]

"Putting numbers before each clause is not needed."

[Imperium Anglorum]

"Putting numbers before each clause is not needed."

If you even want me to consider giving you may vote, you better do it. But not for the prefatory clauses – only for the operative ones.

[San Hieronymi]

((OOC: In the UK that job is done by NICE (National Institute for Clinical Excellence), it was thinking about NICE that set me on this track. This would ensure that each country was attempting to improve standards without interfering directly in their departmental systems and ensuring that medical professionals were in the driving seat. ))

OOC: But not all nations would want a (technically) non-government organization approving medicines, revoking doctor licenses (or something like that), inviting a WA organization to their nation, etc.

((OOC: I think they would like it far less if we started requiring minimum numbers of medical professionals in their health departments. This seems to be the only way for the WA to begin insisting on minimum standards. Ideally there would be an international minimum but the issues in some member states requires a more nuanced approach. At least it is being done by a national body that the government has power of appointment over, presuming that goes in the individual NBMCS governing document. Rather than directly by a WA agency.

I will change the clause numbering to remove the numbers of the prefatory clauses at the next draft))

[The First German Order]

OOC: But not all nations would want a (technically) non-government organization approving medicines, revoking doctor licenses (or something like that), inviting a WA organization to their nation, etc.

((OOC: I think they would like it far less if we started requiring minimum numbers of medical professionals in their health departments. This seems to be the only way for the WA to begin insisting on minimum standards. Ideally there would be an international minimum but the issues in some member states requires a more nuanced approach. At least it is being done by a national body that the government has power of appointment over, presuming that goes in the individual NBMCS governing document. Rather than directly by a WA agency.

I will change the clause numbering to remove the numbers of the prefatory clauses at the next draft))

OOC: Well personally I think that the committee that the government makes should ADVISE the government, but not be able to flat out do something like this on their own.

[San Hieronymi]

((OOC: I think they would like it far less if we started requiring minimum numbers of medical professionals in their health departments. This seems to be the only way for the WA to begin insisting on minimum standards. Ideally there would be an international minimum but the issues in some member states requires a more nuanced approach. At least it is being done by a national body that the government has power of appointment over, presuming that goes in the individual NBMCS governing document. Rather than directly by a WA agency.

I will change the clause numbering to remove the numbers of the prefatory clauses at the next draft))

OOC: Well personally I think that the committee that the government makes should ADVISE the government, but not be able to flat out do something like this on their own.

((OOC: Would you be happier if there was an option for the government to create it's own internal agency, providing it works to a standard acceptable to the WIMS? I don't like weakening the proposal but I'd like to be able to generate a broad agreement, as it will be hard enough to reach quorum as it is. As long as the work is being done in each nation I don't think it is a major issue who is doing the work.))

[The First German Order]

OOC: Well personally I think that the committee that the government makes should ADVISE the government, but not be able to flat out do something like this on their own.

((OOC: Would you be happier if there was an option for the government to create it's own internal agency, providing it works to a standard acceptable to the WIMS? I don't like weakening the proposal but I'd like to be able to generate a broad agreement, as it will be hard enough to reach quorum as it is. As long as the work is being done in each nation I don't think it is a major issue who is doing the work.))

OOC: I'd still rather that the government made committee advise the government.

[San Hieronymi]

((OOC: Would you be happier if there was an option for the government to create it's own internal agency, providing it works to a standard acceptable to the WIMS? I don't like weakening the proposal but I'd like to be able to generate a broad agreement, as it will be hard enough to reach quorum as it is. As long as the work is being done in each nation I don't think it is a major issue who is doing the work.))

OOC: I'd still rather that the government made committee advise the government.

((OOC: Though as a supporter of national sovereignty I'd rather have this done by the government, as soon as you make it advisory you know lots of governments will sideline and flat out ignore it. It would be a hole a mile wide and make the resolution rather pointless. I think it would infringe more if we imposed regulations from on high. ))

[The First German Order]

OOC: I'd still rather that the government made committee advise the government.

((OOC: Though as a supporter of national sovereignty I'd rather have this done by the government, as soon as you make it advisory you know lots of governments will sideline and flat out ignore it. It would be a hole a mile wide and make the resolution rather pointless. I think it would infringe more if we imposed regulations from on high. ))

OOC: Most (or at least some) democratic nations wouldn’t ignore them. Anyways, I still think they should just advise. You’ve lost my support.

[Araraukar]

OOC: I'm still looking for the "what do you want this to actually do?" thing. As in, tell me with your own words, don't just edit the proposal.

Also, the MASSIVE layers of bureaucracy are unnecessary, if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do.

[San Hieronymi]

OOC: I'm still looking for the "what do you want this to actually do?" thing. As in, tell me with your own words, don't just edit the proposal.

Also, the MASSIVE layers of bureaucracy are unnecessary, if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do.

((OOC: The basic gist is to ensure that there is proper regulation in matters of medical training, practice, drug regulation etc. in each state. To ensure that such regulation is scientific while not impacting on religion and traditional beliefs. Basically ensure that each individual nation is providing a minimal level of medical infrastructure, while ensuring that the WA does not attempt to apply a one size fits all solution to the issue.

A secondary purpose is to give a legal definition to the term medical professional.

I am by nature a bureaucrat so that might explain my tendency towards it without possibly realising how much of it I'm proposing. ))

[Araraukar]

((OOC: The basic gist is to ensure that there is (1) proper regulation in matters of medical training, practice, drug regulation etc. in each state. To (2) ensure that such regulation is scientific (3) while not impacting on religion and traditional beliefs. Basically ensure that (4) each individual nation is providing a minimal level of medical infrastructure, while ensuring that the WA does not attempt to apply a one size fits all solution to the issue.))

OOC: Make those your clauses, only in active clause language, and you've got a good proposal that's about 10% in length of what you have now. Although (4) has already been done.

[San Hieronymi]

((OOC: The basic gist is to ensure that there is (1) proper regulation in matters of medical training, practice, drug regulation etc. in each state. To (2) ensure that such regulation is scientific (3) while not impacting on religion and traditional beliefs. Basically ensure that (4) each individual nation is providing a minimal level of medical infrastructure, while ensuring that the WA does not attempt to apply a one size fits all solution to the issue.))

OOC: Make those your clauses, only in active clause language, and you've got a good proposal that's about 10% in length of what you have now. Although (4) has already been done.

((OOC: I have been attempting to implement your suggestions. I think I will likely need to do more to do so but thought I would put this 6th draft forward to gauge opinion on whether it is heading in the right direction.))