[DISCONTINUED] Sapient Acknowledgement Act

[Hezapotamia]

I am now aware of that and Tuesdays version should reflect it.

OOC: The first post's last edit is from a Friday. Put the newest draft in the first post.

That's the current draft I will update it on tuesday well tomorrow.

[Araraukar]

That's the current draft I will update it on tuesday well tomorrow.

OOC: Ah, ok, so a future thing to come, not something that should be found if combing through the thread...

[Jebslund]

OOC: Underlined, as usual.

Please remember to vote ^^^^^


Alien Information Act


Noting some nations may not have experienced Alien life forms.

Defining “alien”, for the purpose of this proposal, as intelligent life forms that is not a WA member species. Subject-verb agreement: Either "forms that are" or "any... form that is"

Defining “Sentient beings,” ”, for the purpose of this proposal, are beings with consciousness, sentience, or in some contexts life itself. You have an extra quotation mark and out of place comma here. Also, remove the text that I've put the strikethrough on, and replace with "and/or the capacity to feel pain."

Understanding the need to share information to WA members if the need should arise. With, not to. Also, worded as is, this sounds a little redundant. Consider rephrasing.

Demands the creation of the World Assembly Alien Committee.


Whose duties are:

a. To create an international database for categorizing hostile & friendly life forms.

b. To inform WA governments of new Alien species that are a threat to the existence of all sentient beings.

c. To study Alien Life form’s genetics, & anatomy. Use "and", not an ampersand, here. The comma is also unnecessary, as there are only two items listed.

1. The WAAC is not to use any live subjects for testing or research. Unless it has consent from the patient. Merge these clauses (the latter is not a complete sentence)

2. The WAAC cannot detain, abduct, or hold any subject against their will. Except if, the WA considers that subject extremely hostile. Ditch the comma after "if" and merge these. The second is not a complete sentence.

3. The WAAC cannot kill nor harm any Alien Subjects in its care unless for self-defense. Defining (self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm. The Right to Protect One's Person and Property from Injury). Lose the parentheses and the struck-through text, and reword.

4. All Aliens under the WAAC care have the right to proper lifesaving medicines and healthcare.

d. To study Alien planets.

1. The WAAC can only study a planet from a distance unless it is invited to so. replace "so" with "to study it closer" or similar.

e. To study Alien technology.



The World Assembly hereby decrees:


I. The creation of the World Assembly Alien Committee. (WAAC), Funded by the WA. The first period is unnecessary.

II. All WA members must share any data or information pertaining to Aliens, alien Space Craft, and weaponry with WA member nations.

III. The WAAC will have access to space centers, super telescopes, and observatories within the WA.

IV. The WAAC shall only have access to Alien sensitive information in space centers.

V. The WAAC cannot withhold any information from WA governments.

VI. WA members have the right to withhold WAAC information from their citizens.

[Xmara]

NS =/= Earth, or even reality for that matter. Not to mention that for some WA member nations, humans would be considered aliens. Opposed.

[Jebslund]

NS =/= Earth, or even reality for that matter. Not to mention that for some WA member nations, humans would be considered aliens. Opposed.

alien”, for the purpose of this proposal, as intelligent life forms that is not a WA member species.

[The New California Republic]

1. The WAAC can only study a planet from a distance unless it is invited to so.

OOC: Invited by whom? The primitive aliens on the planet in question that have no long-range communications equipment? Or more advanced aliens that have no concept of language as we know it?

[Xmara]

NS =/= Earth, or even reality for that matter. Not to mention that for some WA member nations, humans would be considered aliens. Opposed.

alien”, for the purpose of this proposal, as intelligent life forms that is not a WA member species.

Some human nations are WA members, and some are not. Same species, but membership is different.

I just don’t think this legislation makes sense.

[Silverlight]

Statement from The Quartered Beast, King of Silverlight

"We feel that this proposal, while written with good intentions, is a bit vague in both its language and actual purpose. We do not feel this is an inherent flaw in the proposal itself, but rather in the somewhat malleable reality of the uni/multiverse as We have only recently begun to understand it here in Silverlight. My people and I are, by Our very natures, "alien" due to this. Still, should the language become much more clearly defined, and in such a way that makes sense to the World Assembly itself, then We will consider revisiting the issue at a later date. Until such time, We must decline the proposal as it now stands, but We do appreciate the effort that has gone into this draft, especially concerning the advancement of science."

[New Mushroom Kingdom]

Gah, despite originally not being interested in writing a resolution, this proposal makes me want to have a semi-serious try...

[Hezapotamia]

Gah, despite originally not being interested in writing a resolution, this proposal makes me want to have a semi-serious try...

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[Ferret Civilization]

OOC: Well for your deleted post on whether to discontinue this or not. I do feel like you have good intentions for what you wanted to do with this draft. And I am sure there are many regulars here that would thank you for not trying to submit the crap out of this and were willing to try and work on a few things. Problem I see is when it comes to your committee and what they are suppose to do goes from being educational and a probably good ideal thing of knowledge could help us all get along to something that would cause national security concerns and probably cause a lot of friction between World Assembly nations and people and non-World Assembly nations and people. From thinking this over I know gutting that would probably debone what this proposals spirit was going for, but I would look forward to seeing how you would get around that. Even if it is to do nothing about it.

[Hezapotamia]

OOC: Well for your deleted post on whether to discontinue this or not. I do feel like you have good intentions for what you wanted to do with this draft. And I am sure there are many regulars here that would thank you for not trying to submit the crap out of this and were willing to try and work on a few things. Problem I see is when it comes to your committee and what they are suppose to do goes from being educational and a probably good ideal thing of knowledge could help us all get along to something that would cause national security concerns and probably cause a lot of friction between World Assembly nations and people and non-World Assembly nations and people. From thinking this over I know gutting that would probably debone what this proposals spirit was going for, but I would look forward to seeing how you would get around that. Even if it is to do nothing about it.

Yeah my original purpose was to guard from aliens. I was unaware of the “alien” species. So currently I’m losing sight what the proposal is supposed to do. I can reimagined it has pure educational. I think what’s really difficult is that there is no current resolution on reconizing different species. Before attempting to write this proposal I had no clue there was more than one planet or universe or omiverse. No clue what so ever. I’ve been here for five years lol

[Araraukar]

I think what’s really difficult is that there is no current resolution on reconizing different species.

OOC: Except, you know, this. We don't tell newbies to go read the passed resolutions because we want to be mean. We do it so that they can go and have a look and realize that things aren't as simple as they think.

Before attempting to write this proposal I had no clue there was more than one planet ... No clue what so ever.

...re-read that and then please tell me that's not literally what you meant.

Also, the proposal, as currently written in the first post of the thread, is illegal for contradiction. Reading the linked reference should tell you why.

[Hezapotamia]

I think what’s really difficult is that there is no current resolution on reconizing different species.

OOC: Except, you know, this. We don't tell newbies to go read the passed resolutions because we want to be mean. We do it so that they can go and have a look and realize that things aren't as simple as they think.

Before attempting to write this proposal I had no clue there was more than one planet ... No clue what so ever.

...re-read that and then please tell me that's not literally what you meant.

Also, the proposal, as currently written in the first post of the thread, is illegal for contradiction. Reading the linked reference should tell you why.

Oh yes I see. ill work off of that.

[Hezapotamia]

Alien Information Act


Noting some nations may not have experienced Alien life forms.

Defining “alien”, for the purpose of this proposal as intelligent life forms that is not a WA member species.

Defining “Sentient beings,” ”, for the purpose of this proposal are beings with consciousness, sentience, or in some contexts life itself.

Understanding the need to share information to WA members if the need should arise.

Demands the creation of the World Assembly Alien Committee.


Whose duties are:

a. To create an international database for categorizing hostile & friendly life forms.

b. To inform WA governments of new Alien species that are a threat to the existence of all sentient beings.

c. To study Alien Life form’s genetics, & anatomy.

1. The WAAC is not to use any live subjects for testing or research. Unless it has consent from the patient.

2. The WAAC cannot detain, abduct or hold any subject against their will. Except if, the WA considers that subject extremely hostile.

3. The WAAC cannot kill nor harm any Alien Subjects in its care unless for self-defense. Defining (self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm. The Right to Protect One's Person and Property from Injury).

4. All Aliens under the WAAC care have the right to proper lifesaving medicines and healthcare.

d. To study Alien planets.

1. The WAAC can only study a planet from a distance unless it is invited to so.

e. To study Alien technology.



The World Assembly hereby decrees:


I. The creation of the World Assembly Alien Committee. (WAAC), Funded by the WA.

II. All WA members must share any data or information pertaining to Aliens, alien Space Craft, and weaponry with WA member nations.

III. The WAAC will have access to space centers, super telescopes, and observatories within the WA.

IV. The WAAC shall only have access to Alien sensitive information in space centers.

V. The WAAC cannot withhold any information from WA governments.

VI. WA members have the right to withhold WAAC information from their citizens.

This has been discontinued. I learned a lot. I no longer see this resolution as necessary or needed. I will be working on the Anti Homelessness Act!

[The New California Republic]

This has been discontinued. I learned a lot. I no longer see this resolution as necessary or needed. I will be working on the Anti Homelessness Act!

OOC: Well...that was a bit of an "About Face" at the 11th hour. I don't think anybody said that the proposal was unsalvageable, so the very abrupt halt to work on it seems a bit...I don't know...

[Araraukar]

This has been discontinued. I learned a lot. I no longer see this resolution as necessary or needed. I will be working on the Anti Homelessness Act!

OOC: Well...that was a bit of an "About Face" at the 11th hour. I don't think anybody said that the proposal was unsalvageable, so the very abrupt halt to work on it seems a bit...I don't know...

OOC: The word you're looking for is smart.

Setting aside a project that is too difficult at the time (especially for a GA newbie) or not worth the effort to continue or in any case would require a total restart and rewrite, is not stupid. It's smart to save your energies and time on something that you have an actual chance of making work.

EDIT: Heza, if you want the thread to be locked so people don't post here anymore, post the request with a link to this thread here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=425777

[The New California Republic]

OOC: Well...that was a bit of an "About Face" at the 11th hour. I don't think anybody said that the proposal was unsalvageable, so the very abrupt halt to work on it seems a bit...I don't know...

OOC: The word you're looking for is smart.

Setting aside a project that is too difficult at the time (especially for a GA newbie) or not worth the effort to continue or in any case would require a total restart and rewrite, is not stupid. It's smart to save your energies and time on something that you have an actual chance of making work.

OOC: Hmm I dunno, it seemed to have a good amount of momentum behind it, hence why the discontinuation seemed to come out of nowhere. I mean it still needed a lot of work, but the essential foundations were there for the most part.

[Carazca]

I am fine with this, as long as the WA is absolutely sure they have the funding. I don't want any surprise mandatory WAAC donations, particularly for small-government, libertarian nations.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Hmm I dunno, it seemed to have a good amount of momentum behind it, hence why the discontinuation seemed to come out of nowhere. I mean it still needed a lot of work, but the essential foundations were there for the most part.

OOC: A car sliding backwards down an icy hill towards a sudden drop is going to have a good amount of momentum, but that doesn't meant sticking with it until it came to a stop at the bottom of the ravine was a good idea.

So, what are the "essential foundations"? What is this proposal trying to do? I mean that seriously.

It confuses sentience with sapience, thinks that humans can't be alien and extraterrestrial, reads like a bad 1950's scifi novel, and has plenty of contradictions that, when removed, render it useless and toothless, and it has no category or strength/AoE.

[The New California Republic]

So, what are the "essential foundations"?

OOC: I was meaning relative to the usual garbage that comes flowing through here, at least this is vaguely written like a proposal, and is structured like one.

It confuses sentience with sapience, thinks that humans can't be alien and extraterrestrial, reads like a bad 1950's scifi novel, and has plenty of contradictions that, when removed, render it useless and toothless, and it has no category or strength/AoE.

OOC: Meh. None of those problems are insurmountable. Plenty of proposals have been trashy in the beginning, only becoming truly great after several painful months.

[Araraukar]

So, what are the "essential foundations"?

OOC: I was meaning relative to the usual garbage that comes flowing through here, at least this is vaguely written like a proposal, and is structured like one.

OOC: Having the right shape unfortunately doesn't help if the subject doesn't make sense.

OOC: None of those problems are insurmountable. Plenty of proposals have been trashy in the beginning, only becoming truly great after several painful months.

So, again...

What is this proposal trying to do? I mean that seriously.

[The New California Republic]

What is this proposal trying to do?

Expand our horizons.

OOC: But seriously I don't know. Ask the author.

[Araraukar]

What is this proposal trying to do?

Expand our horizons.
OOC: But seriously I don't know. Ask the author.

OOC: I did. They decided to abandon it in favour of working on another one of theirs instead. You're the one insisting this should be continued, so now I'm asking you.

[The New California Republic]

You're the one insisting this should be continued, so now I'm asking you.

OOC: And just where on earth did I insist that this should be continued? Hmm? I merely pointed out that it was abandoned rather abruptly, I most definitely never insisted that this should be continued...