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Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:29 pm**

Title: Computer-Based Education Act
Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational

Description:
The World Assembly:

Noting that in some nations, children don't take education seriously, in the following ways;

1. Not submitting homework on time,
2. Not paying attention in class,
3. Talking out of turn & etc.

Further noting the stress teachers get for teaching children;

Understanding the need to take action for such behaviour;

Also knowing that most children are hooked up to their phones and computers;

Thinking that computer-based education will have the following benefits to children and the teachers;

1. Children will no longer have to spend so much time writing tediously;
2. Homework can be easily checked online by teachers;
3. Children will be able to finally see multi-coloured notes and not the black-and-white printed ones;
4. Children will be able to self-revise;
5. Teachers can find out what the children are actually thinking and doing;

Thus, the World Assembly hereby:

1. Legalizes computers and internet in all member nations who have previously banned them;

2. Mandates the use of computers in all schools for education;

3. Allows the school administrators cover the cost of computers without taking the money from children;

4. Funds the cost of computers for schools who cannot afford the payment;

Clarifying that teachers can give students the appropriate punishment should they misuse the privilege, with the privilege being able to use computers.

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:43 pm**

He Qixin 2 wrote:Title: Computer-Based Education Act
Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational

Description:
The World Assembly:

Noting that in some nations, children don't take education seriously, in the following ways;

1. Not submitting homework on time,
2. Not paying attention in class,
3. Talking out of turn & etc.

Further noting the stress teachers get for teaching children;

Understanding the need to take action for such behaviour;

IC: "Sure, and the solutions to such problems are grades to reflect poor work, disciplinary measures to eliminate tomfoolery, and recruitment of suitable educators."

Also knowing that most children are hooked up to their phones and computers;

Ogenbond turns pale. "My God, Ambassador, I hope I misunderstand you. To install the majority of a nation's children into the electrical wiring of a computer would be a horrible act, and a grizzly fate for any poor child."

Thinking that computer-based education will have the following benefits to children and the teachers;

1. Children will no longer have to spend so much time writing tediously;
2. Homework can be easily checked online by teachers;
3. Children will be able to finally see multi-coloured notes and not the black-and-white printed ones;
4. Children will be able to self-revise;
5. Teachers can find out what the children are actually thinking and doing;

"These things either do not depend on the presence of a computer for educators, are already easily attainable, or are not clearly beneficial."

Thus, the World Assembly hereby:

1. Legalizes computers and internet in all member nations who have previously banned them;

"Umm...okay. That's fine, I suppose."

2. Mandates the use of computers in all schools for education;

"Impossible."

3. Allows the school administrators cover the cost of computers without taking the money from children;

"I'm sure schools will happily remove money from their own pockets instead of looking for other sources of funding."

4. Funds the cost of computers for schools who cannot afford the payment;

"The World Assembly better prepare to funnel billions of CRUs into Wallenburg, then."

Clarifying that teachers can give students the appropriate punishment should they misuse the privilege, with the privilege being able to use computers.

"Wait, what? You want to have children man the computers? How is that helpful for education? Why do they need computers? What makes you think they are capable of using computers?"

OOC: Wallenburg is set in the 1940s tech-wise. Some member states among us are even further back in the past. This proposal seems to assume 2018 tech across all member states. That won't work.

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:48 pm**

Jake Wyse smiles. This is a promising rookie. He reminds that idioms and slang cannot be used in proposals, therefore, “hooking” a child to a computer is an absurd act rarely done.

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:54 pm**

Legalizes computers and internet in all member nations who have previously banned them

“this needs a- I mean multiple proposals in itself”

Mandates the use of computers in all schools for education

“This is hard in nations in which schools cannot afford such tech”

Allows the school administrators cover the cost of computers without taking the money from children

“What? How? That’ll cause massive deflation and collapse many economies”

Funds the cost of computers for schools who cannot afford the payment

“The WA’s job is not to pay for the nations, plus, it’ll cost a lot”

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:26 pm**

*Ambassador Saber simply facepalms. Assistant Ambassador Ra'lingth yawns, which is actually a very intimidating mental image if you've ever seen a snake yawn before.*

Teran Saber: "Ambassador, this is commendable but utterly absurd to implement. Even without the technology gap between WA member states the logistics of this proposal are ridiculous. Do you realize how expensive decent computers are in most 'modern tech' nations? And I can very well assume that schools will want laptops rather than desktops despite the fact that desktops are cheaper."

"And not to mention the fact that you're also mandating that have previously banned access to a global computer network of some kind legalize it in a proposal that focuses on education. While I would personally support that, that's a separate topic that would require its own proposal."

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:35 pm**

"Well then, if you say so, I shall start a different GA proposal."

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:37 pm**

He Qixin 2 wrote:"Well then, if you say so, I shall start a different GA proposal."

OOC: Before you do, I suggest reading through the existing ones (apart from any that were repealed) to get an idea on how successful proposals tend to be written.

Posted: **Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:39 pm**

"I think maybe get some advice from experienced people rather than starting a new one..."

Posted: **Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:09 am**

He Qixin 2 wrote:"I think maybe get some advice from experienced people rather than starting a new one..."

OOC: You've just gotten advice from experienced people - everyone who's posted so far. I remember seeing this in the proposal queue yesterday and thinking "Oh great, yet another author-wannabe who assumes everywhere and every nation is a rich RL 1st-world nation", because computerizing teaching is not possible even in every RL EU nation, or every RL USA state, not to mention every single nation on RL Earth. It completely ignores things like the lack of network (Internet most commonly in RL) connection, which is a real problem in more rural areas (Finland is one of the most connected nations in RL but we still don't have 100% network coverage because of the long distances between small population centers in Lapland), not to mention electricity, which is a very real issue in many places around the globe even in RL, especially in the poorer countries. Not to mention that the very poorest nations, even the ones in WA, would benefit more from selling whatever computers they were given and using the money for things like, you know, food and medicines?

Not everyone in the world lives like you do, and while a good education should be a human right, you don't necessarily need computers and Internet to get one.

Posted: **Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:47 pm**

OOC: Why on Earth did you go ahead and submit this without even bringing the updated draft here first?

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:41 am**

OOC: Based on the new draft; good gods, man, get some native English user to re-write it for you. My old English teacher would've made you rewrite it in front of class on a blackboard with a piece of chalk. In a really "Old School" way.

Also, this currently reads more like IT industry support than anything to do with education. Yes, it says "computers for schools", but that's not really useful if the teachers don't know what to do with them. I've literally seen this happen exactly that way in my lifetime; the idea "we're a modern country, modernization means bringing computers into the schools" and then even the IT teachers barely knew how to make them work, leading to us students mostly using them to play games, because that was honestly speaking a better use for them than anything that we were officially supposed to be doing with them.

Additionally, using computers for learning is not helpful or useful if the people involved don't also have computers at home. Which is not a 100% guarantee even in RL.

There are also many negative sides to increasing use of computers in the classroom, and ones that either the author or the proposal don't seem to give any thought to.

Posted: **Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:26 pm**

Children don't take education seriously? From our humble perspective, it is the parents' responsibility to take education seriously, and to see that their children understand it too.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:59 am**

OOC: This was just re-submitted.

Computer-Based Education Act

A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.

Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Educational

Proposed by: He Qixin 2

The World Assembly:

Noting that in some nations, children don't take education seriously, in the following ways;

1. Not submitting homework on time,
2. Not paying attention in class,
3. Talking out of turn & etc.

Further noting the stress teachers get for teaching children;

Understanding the need to address and take action for such behaviour;

Also knowing that most children today are very much attracted to phones and computers;

Thinking that computers are a very good resource for learning and a computer-based education will have the following benefits to children and the teachers;

1. Children will no longer have to spend so much time writing tediously;
2. Homework can be easily checked online by teachers;
3. Children will be able to finally see multi-coloured notes and not the black-and-white and dull printed ones;
4. Children will be able to self-revise;
5. Teachers can find out what the children are actually thinking and doing;

Also knowing that children can do research with their computers, even if books are out of stock;

Finding that globalization can be established via computer education, through students video conferencing with each other on websites;

Further knowing that there are games on computers, some of which are educational;

Implying that children can play those games on computers and learn something whilst having fun;

Learning that schools may require distance education like receiving documents via e-mails, and a computer is vital in that case;

Thinking that schools may not be capable to go on field trips to let children learn and study due to lack of resources and/or budget;

However relieved about the fact that there are virtual web seminars put on by museums and other educational institutions which students can attend, allowing students to learn and study there too;

Thus, the World Assembly hereby:

1. Legalizes computers and internet in all member nations;

2. Mandates the use of computers in all schools for education;

3. Allows the school administrators cover some of the cost of computers, whilst taking agreement from children to pay for the rest of the cost;

4. Reserves the times, for schools, which the computers are used for education;

Clarifying that teachers can give students the appropriate punishment should they misuse the privilege, with the privilege being able to use computers.

It's really no better (language or content) than what you had here before. Do you think that if you change a few words and keep resubmitting it, it'll magically be accepted by all as a great idea?

It's still self-contradictory (last Clarifying clause versus everything in preamble), the language is weird in several places, now clause 3. means poor families' children won't benefit (from one extreme to the other) and it still lacks any clauses that actually talk about education rather than promote IT tech. Hint: The education-related stuff must come after "Hereby" and be an active clause.

Posted: **Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:24 pm**

Araraukar wrote:OOC: This was just re-submitted.
Computer-Based Education Act

A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.

Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Educational

Proposed by: He Qixin 2

The World Assembly:

Noting that in some nations, children don't take education seriously, in the following ways;

1. Not submitting homework on time,
2. Not paying attention in class,
3. Talking out of turn & etc.

Further noting the stress teachers get for teaching children;

Understanding the need to address and take action for such behaviour;

Also knowing that most children today are very much attracted to phones and computers;

Thinking that computers are a very good resource for learning and a computer-based education will have the following benefits to children and the teachers;

1. Children will no longer have to spend so much time writing tediously;
2. Homework can be easily checked online by teachers;
3. Children will be able to finally see multi-coloured notes and not the black-and-white and dull printed ones;
4. Children will be able to self-revise;
5. Teachers can find out what the children are actually thinking and doing;

Also knowing that children can do research with their computers, even if books are out of stock;

Finding that globalization can be established via computer education, through students video conferencing with each other on websites;

Further knowing that there are games on computers, some of which are educational;

Implying that children can play those games on computers and learn something whilst having fun;

Learning that schools may require distance education like receiving documents via e-mails, and a computer is vital in that case;

Thinking that schools may not be capable to go on field trips to let children learn and study due to lack of resources and/or budget;

However relieved about the fact that there are virtual web seminars put on by museums and other educational institutions which students can attend, allowing students to learn and study there too;

Thus, the World Assembly hereby:

1. Legalizes computers and internet in all member nations;

2. Mandates the use of computers in all schools for education;

3. Allows the school administrators cover some of the cost of computers, whilst taking agreement from children to pay for the rest of the cost;

4. Reserves the times, for schools, which the computers are used for education;

Clarifying that teachers can give students the appropriate punishment should they misuse the privilege, with the privilege being able to use computers.

It's really no better (language or content) than what you had here before. Do you think that if you change a few words and keep resubmitting it, it'll magically be accepted by all as a great idea?

It's still self-contradictory (last Clarifying clause versus everything in preamble), the language is weird in several places, now clause 3. means poor families' children won't benefit (from one extreme to the other) and it still lacks any clauses that actually talk about education rather than promote IT tech. Hint: The education-related stuff must come after "Hereby" and be an active clause.

But ... But ... It's for the CHILDREN!!! :roll:

Posted: **Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:29 pm**

OOC: And it’s been resubmitted again.

I don’t think OP is even looking at this thread anymore.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am**

Essu Beti wrote:OOC: And it’s been resubmitted again.
I don’t think OP is even looking at this thread anymore.

OOC: And I see they've posted a lock plea in the thread title. Do they not know that a submitted proposal can be posted in a thread by someone other than the author, if it's not found illegal?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:39 pm**

Araraukar wrote:
Essu Beti wrote:OOC: And it’s been resubmitted again.
I don’t think OP is even looking at this thread anymore.

OOC: And I see they've posted a lock plea in the thread title. Do they not know that a submitted proposal can be posted in a thread by someone other than the author, if it's not found illegal?

OOC: I don't think they care. Their idea here wasn't received with wild applause, acclaim, and praise by everybody, so they're back to direct submission of blatantly illegal proposals.

Posted: **Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:03 am**

*Stands from somewhere in the back*
I am glad that such proposals are not taken seriously by this body. It is at least acknowledged that such a measure would put serious financial strains on large nations such as mine. Our Prophet wouldn't need to commune with God to know that this would ruin our economy along with most of the members of this body. This will be one positive instance I use on my recommendation to my government to apply.

*sits down*

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:14 am**

OOC: Is this dead, or is it still being worked on?

Posted: **Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:06 am**

I will not approve of this bill.

The use of computers being mandated in schools? That is ridiculous. Nations like Carazca which rely on the Private Sector for education will be appalled at local businesses being forced to do something different due to a piece of paper from another country! Soon enough, your guaranteed funding will make schools lose their sense of money management. Also, an entire country turning around its internet/computer laws because someone ELSE wants them to? This is quite simply too much.

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