[Withdrawn]Protection of Biomedical Research

[Aclion]

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I believe the second mandate of this resolution is contradictory to to mandates in GA #217, Biomedical Donor Rights and Biomedical Recipient Rights which establish ethical standards unrelated to harm.

Was that fast enough?

[Tinfect]

OOC:
Those resolutions deal with treatments, not research. What is it with you and frivolous legal challenges against my drafts? Have I slighted you, somehow?

[Imperium Anglorum]

TInfect, you’re a GA author. Must be a member of the Seekrit elite™! They must be opposed!

[Aclion]

OOC:
Those resolutions deal with treatments, not research

"biomedical procedures" shall include, at minimum the donation, harvesting, transplantation, or transfusion of biomedical tissues."

There is no mention of treatment specificity. I don't think a reasonable person could conclude that a person who donates biomedical tissues for research is not donating biomedical tissue. The same goes for recipients.

What is it with you and frivolous legal challenges against my drafts? Have I slighted you, somehow?

Don't worry this isn't personal.

Also this is a challenge thread. there is no need to mark posts OOC.

TInfect, you’re a GA author. Must be a member of the Seekrit elite™! They must be opposed!

Clearly he is elite. He has access to parts of the text of these resolutions that I do not.

[Tinfect]

There is no mention of treatment specificity. I don't think a reasonable person could conclude that a person who donates biomedical tissues for research is not donating biomedical tissue. The same goes for recipients.

Those are biomedical procedures, as they are defined in the two resolutions:

DETAILS that "biomedical procedures" shall include, at minimum, the donation, harvesting, transplantation, or transfusion of biomedical tissues.

Protection of Biomedical Research only handles Biomedical Research, as defined within the text:

Defines Biomedical Research as the fields of research investigating the causes of disease, disease prevention, treatment, and the mitigation or elimination of medical conditions including, but not limited to: Cancer, Paraplegia, and Motor Neuron Diseases,

Those are different things.

[Auralia]

Why can't biomedical research involve biomedical donations?

[Tinfect]

Why can't biomedical research involve biomedical donations?

Read the definitions.

[Stoskavanya]

Can we challenge it on the basis of it being one huge blocker? Rules say "Blockers: Proposals cannot be "repeal-proof" or prohibit legislation on broad and specific issues."

[Aclion]

I am withdrawing my challenge as the author has followed his own advice and subsequently withdrawn the proposal.

[Wrapper]

It’s been resubmitted.

[Tinfect]

I am withdrawing my challenge as the author has followed his own advice and subsequently withdrawn the proposal.

OOC:
Your challenge was frivolous bullshit, Bears-Armed was the one with an actual, legitimate argument.

[Christian Democrats]

OOC:
Your challenge was frivolous bullshit

I thought his argument was reasonable.

[Tinfect]

OOC:
Your challenge was frivolous bullshit

I thought his argument was reasonable.

Read the definitions.

[Auralia]

I thought his argument was reasonable.

Read the definitions.

We have. You can, in fact, donate biomedical tissue for use in research or receive biomedical tissue as part of an experimental treatment.

[Tinfect]

We have. You can, in fact, donate biomedical tissue for use in research or receive biomedical tissue as part of an experimental treatment.

There is no mention of treatment specificity. I don't think a reasonable person could conclude that a person who donates biomedical tissues for research is not donating biomedical tissue. The same goes for recipients.

Those are biomedical procedures, as they are defined in the two resolutions:

DETAILS that "biomedical procedures" shall include, at minimum, the donation, harvesting, transplantation, or transfusion of biomedical tissues.

Protection of Biomedical Research only handles Biomedical Research, as defined within the text:

Defines Biomedical Research as the fields of research investigating the causes of disease, disease prevention, treatment, and the mitigation or elimination of medical conditions including, but not limited to: Cancer, Paraplegia, and Motor Neuron Diseases,

Those are different things.

[Auralia]

So, uh, you can keep saying that, but it doesn't address the argument. Nobody's saying they're not technically different. The former, however, can be part of the latter under certain circumstances, and therefore fall under the scope of restrictions on the latter.

[Tinfect]

So, uh, you can keep saying that, but it doesn't address my argument. Nobody's saying they're not strictly different. One, however, can be part of another under certain circumstances.

OOC:
Biomedical Procedures undertaken during research remain Biomedical Procedures, and are regulated separately.

[Auralia]

So, uh, you can keep saying that, but it doesn't address my argument. Nobody's saying they're not strictly different. One, however, can be part of another under certain circumstances.

OOC:
Biomedical Procedures undertaken during research remain Biomedical Procedures, and are regulated separately.

That's not how regulation works. If biomedical procedures are part of biomedical research, then restrictions on biomedical research also apply to the biomedical procedures that are part of that research. When something is regulated, you don't get to evade those regulations simply by calling part of it something else.

[Tinfect]

That's not how regulation works. If biomedical procedures are part of biomedical research, then restrictions on biomedical research also apply to the biomedical procedures that are part of that research. When something is regulated, you don't get to evade those regulations simply by calling part of it something else.

There is no mention of treatment specificity. I don't think a reasonable person could conclude that a person who donates biomedical tissues for research is not donating biomedical tissue. The same goes for recipients.

Those are biomedical procedures, as they are defined in the two resolutions:

DETAILS that "biomedical procedures" shall include, at minimum, the donation, harvesting, transplantation, or transfusion of biomedical tissues.

Protection of Biomedical Research only handles Biomedical Research, as defined within the text:

Defines Biomedical Research as the fields of research investigating the causes of disease, disease prevention, treatment, and the mitigation or elimination of medical conditions including, but not limited to: Cancer, Paraplegia, and Motor Neuron Diseases,

Those are different things.

[Aclion]

OOC:
Biomedical Procedures undertaken during research remain Biomedical Procedures, and are regulated separately.

That's not how regulation works. If biomedical procedures are part of biomedical research, then restrictions on biomedical research also apply to the biomedical procedures that are part of that research. When something is regulated, you don't get to evade those regulations simply by calling part of it something else.

Well I mean you can as an amen... oh never mind.

[Separatist Peoples]

Tinfect is right, based on his definitions.