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[DRAFT] Assuring Citizen Self Defense

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[DRAFT] Assuring Citizen Self Defense

Postby Dominionation » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:24 am

Human Rights
Strength: Strong/Significant (Not sure yet)

The General Assembly

Recognizing The danger that can be caused by wanton firearm use.

Yet also recognizing that the ability to protect yourself in a necessary part of survival.

Concerned by the rise of terrorism and crime in recent years.

Cognizant that firearms are the best way to defend against threats, both foreign and domestic.

Suggests that private ownership of firearms is required to achieve this.

Forward suggests that the ability to own firearms unrestricted is a civil right.

Hereby declares that World Assembly members should should guarantee firearms ownership to their civilians.

However aware that certain people are unable to own firearms safety.

OOC: My first crack at writing one of these. Any suggestions are appreciated.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:38 am

It's about time. The last time something of this sort came up was in summer 2014, I think. Still against.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:45 am

"Opposed. Firearm ownage is not a civil right, and never should be. Furthermore, there is an erroneous capital letter on the word 'the' in the first clause."
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Postby Essu Beti » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:50 am

“Essu Beti is all for,” says Iksana. “Care to explain what that “However aware” statement at the end is there for? It doesn’t do anything, and it’s pretty weird to have what appears to be part of a preamble after the active clause.”
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Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:28 am

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:52 am

"I think everyone should have [this]" is not the same as "Human Rights".

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Gun Control - A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Remember that Personal/Civil Freedoms have subcategories. (Actually, Economic and Political Freedoms also have subcategories, but it's Civil that concerns us here.) "Human Rights" and "Moral Decency" affect the overall government control on the personal lives of citizens. "Gun Control" affects the degree of freedom regarding the private possession and use of firearms.

"Tighten" increases government regulation on the private use of firearms while "Relax" reduces these regulations. Note that proposals under this category are Strong to Significant.

As of October 16, 2014, this category may also be used to ban or compel the private use of firearms, though not as a blanket "all forms of firearms under any circumstances" (hint: think practical personal exemptions).

This proposal category discusses ONLY the private, personal possession of firearms, and does NOT address the use of guns by agents of the government (the police and military). If you want to talk about police or military weaponry, then use either "Global Disarmament" or "International Security".

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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:08 pm

Concerned by the rise of terrorism and crime in recent years

Where is all this "terrorism" you are obsessed with? First the Repeal on Torture, now here, folks blathering about "Terrorists". We have seen no evidence of any such thing.
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:23 pm

First gun ownership=/=self defense. Second Responsibility In Transferring Arms has blocker that covers this.

If you want to do this focus on preventing people being prosecuted for use of force in self defense.
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Postby Viveksylvania » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:46 am

People can't simply be trusted with firearms. If you're gonna do something like that it should a shit ton of limitations on who(criterias based on crime record, age, social status,etc.) can buy what kinds of arms and also where they can bring arms and where they can't... I would also suggest a semi annual record check which if returns negatively, the firearms and license should be confiscated and they should be banned from owning one ever again.
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Postby Essu Beti » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:02 pm

((Wow this thread went out-of-character quickly))

"Ambassador of Viveksylvania, my nation will under no circumstances accept any proposal that puts a "shit ton of limitations" on gun ownership or any kind of mandatory licensing program at all."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:32 pm

Viveksylvania wrote:People can't simply be trusted with firearms. If you're gonna do something like that it should a shit ton of limitations on who(criterias based on crime record, age, social status,etc.) can buy what kinds of arms and also where they can bring arms and where they can't... I would also suggest a semi annual record check which if returns negatively, the firearms and license should be confiscated and they should be banned from owning one ever again.
*Mic drop*


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Postby Alpha Cassiopeiae » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:29 pm

"The Alliance supports firearm ownership laws, but I don't believe this is an international issue, Ambassador. States can decide for themselves the best options for their citizens. Opposed."
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Postby Xmara » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:45 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:53 pm

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:43 pm

You should all probably read this. viewtopic.php?p=31755342#p31755342

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Postby Aclion » Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:46 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:You should all probably read this. viewtopic.php?p=31755342#p31755342

Hey! That's what I said!
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Postby Dominionation » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:03 am

Aclion wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:You should all probably read this. viewtopic.php?p=31755342#p31755342

Hey! That's what I said!


I see a resolution talking about military disarmament, but this resolution is meant to target private citizens.

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Postby Liagolas » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:16 am

Dominionation wrote:I see a resolution talking about military disarmament, but this resolution is meant to target private citizens.

"It is true that the resolution speaks primarily of military arms, but it is the belief of the Dominion that Her Excellency Ms. Wellesley - heh, that rhymes - and the Aclionion delegation refer to Clause #5:

5. Assures member nations of the exclusive right to determine purely internal arms trading and firearm policy, excepting:
  1. those regulations recognized by the terms of this resolution or extant international law,
  2. future regulations which seek to prevent firearms from being sold to or used by individuals that pose a danger of performing imminent lawless action, or
  3. future resolutions which seek to relax regulations on purchasing firearms for recreational reasons only;

"Clause #5 establishes that member nations have a broad right to determine internal arms trading policy, which would make it impossible for this resolution to mandate that nations guarantee the right of firearms ownership. 5c establishes the conditions of future policy-driven relaxation of firearms regulation, that condition being the purchase and use of firearms for purely recreational reasons, which does not factor in self-defense.

"It is the belief of the Dominion that if the Dominionation ambassadorship desires to legislate upon firearms, it could propose legislation to mandate recreational firearms ownership rights or a repeal of Responsibility in Transferring Arms. If you desire to legislate upon self-defense, it is the suggestion of the Dominion that you follow the Aclionion delegation's advice and focus on preventing persons from prosecution for using force in self-defense.
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Postby Rightport » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:49 pm

The Government of Rightport will not support this proposal.
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