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Prohibit Minors from Gambling
Category: Gambling | Legalize/Outlaw: Outlaw

The World Assembly,

Recognizing that gambling is a major part of a country's industry,

Recognizing that gambling may cause addiction and that it may lead to people wanting to earn more and risking it all,

Wanting to preserve the innocence and protect children from this.

Hereby:

Defines minor as anybody below the age of majority in a nation

Defines gambling as the wagering of goods such as money or items of monetary value

Prohibits buildings that are intended for one to gamble, such as casinos, let minors participate in the action

States that this resolution doesn't prohibit minors from making gambles elsewhere

Mandates member nations to facilitate the services for minors who have gambling problems

Urges member nations to teach minors the problems with gambling and the consequences of gambling addiction

This is my first GA proposal. Will appreciate any comments or feedback. Also, can someone help me with the final clause? Can't seem to find a way to make the clause seem grammatically correct (advertising gambling seems weird to me)

Left in blank to put the past drafts

"How is this an international issue?"

Separatist Peoples wrote:"How is this an international issue?"

The resolution has to do with gambling and the protection of minors from starting a malicious addiction. I believe that it's enough to make it an international issue.

Oresland wrote:Defines gambling as the wagering of goods such as money or items of monetary value

Prohibits places from letting minors participate in gambling

OOC: Children playing a game of marbles involves winning or losing marbles (which have monetary value), this would outlaw games like that (and others that involve winning or losing things that have monetary value, as the child is wagering the marbles on winning or losing the game), it would mean that "places"(???) where games of marbles happen (in this case, usually the sidewalk) would have to somehow prohibit such activity. A place per se cannot prohibit anything (as it has no free will or means to act), it is the people that inhabit said place that must prohibit something. So who would enforce the ban on children playing marbles on the sidewalk? The police?

Oresland wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"How is this an international issue?"

The resolution has to do with gambling and the protection of minors from starting a malicious addiction. I believe that it's enough to make it an international issue.

Teran Saber: "Unfortunately, I am unable to agree. While the protection of minors is respectable, I fail to see why this issue should fall under the jurisdiction of an international body rather than the individual nation."

"Opposed. The next time you think of the children, make sure it doesn't blind you to the concept of priorities. There are far worse things children can be doing than betting small sums on a children's card game."

Oresland wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"How is this an international issue?"

The resolution has to do with gambling and the protection of minors from starting a malicious addiction. I believe that it's enough to make it an international issue.

"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gsmbling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Oresland wrote:
The resolution has to do with gambling and the protection of minors from starting a malicious addiction. I believe that it's enough to make it an international issue.

"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gsmbling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

Suppose a child from the C.D.S.P is exposed to gambling while on holiday and brings the habit home?

The New California Republic wrote:

Oresland wrote:Defines gambling as the wagering of goods such as money or items of monetary value

Prohibits places from letting minors participate in gambling

OOC: Children playing a game of marbles involves winning or losing marbles (which have monetary value), this would outlaw games like that (and others that involve winning or losing things that have monetary value, as the child is wagering the marbles on winning or losing the game), it would mean that "places"(???) where games of marbles happen (in this case, usually the sidewalk) would have to somehow prohibit such activity. A place per se cannot prohibit anything (as it has no free will or means to act), it is the people that inhabit said place that must prohibit something. So who would enforce the ban on children playing marbles on the sidewalk? The police?

OOC: Hadn't really thought about that scenario. But I do see your point. Will see what I do about that

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
There are far worse things children can be doing than betting small sums on a children's card game."

"Usually, it's these small sums that turns into big sums. You bet say $2 and lose, and then wanting to earn it back or more you bet $4, and you keep on and on. Sure, there may be worse things, but you also have to deal with these things before they get out of hand."

Separatist Peoples wrote:
"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gsmbling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

"Please elaborate as to how children falling victim to a vicious cycle that could lead them to losing everything in the future is not an international issue. Even if it's not as big on the scale of say abortion or euthanasia, but it's still an international issue nonetheless."

Oresland wrote:

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:There are far worse things children can be doing than betting small sums on a children's card game."

"Usually, it's these small sums that turns into big sums. You keep betting say 2$ and then wanting to earn it back or more you bet 4$, and you keep on and on. Sure, there may be worse things, but you also have to deal with these things before they get out of hand."

Teran Saber: "Slippery Slope Fallacy. Claiming that something small inevitably leads to something much larger is poor logic."

"On a separate note, a gambling addiction is a form of psychological addiction, not a chemical one like alcohol or tabac sticks. It's easily avoidable provided the 'addicting' activity be done in moderation. A child's parents could easily intervene if it starts to become a problem, and financial things like that are easily noticeable."

Oresland wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gsmbling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

"Please elaborate as to how children falling victim to a vicious cycle that could lead them to losing everything in the future is not an international issue. Even if it's not as big on the scale of say abortion or euthanasia, but it's still an international issue nonetheless."

Teran Saber: "You're being obtuse. He already explained it - one nation isn't affected by the gambling habits of another's."

Aclion wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gsmbling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

Suppose a child from the C.D.S.P is exposed to gambling while on holiday and brings the habit home?

"By that logic, the proposal ought to focus on transnational flow of addicts, not domestic gambling laws. An absurd result, to be sure. Swing and a miss, which is par for the course from the Aclion delegation."

Oresland wrote:"Please elaborate as to how children falling victim to a vicious cycle that could lead them to losing everything in the future is not an international issue. Even if it's not as big on the scale of say abortion or euthanasia, but it's still an international issue nonetheless."

Bell slides over the transcripts with hasty emphasis made.

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gambling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

"An international issue has a cross-boundary effect. This has none. It is an attempt to regulate domestic gambling laws.

"Frankly, the C.D.S.P. doesn't care if Oreslandian children fall prey to this issue. It's a domestic issue for Oresland. We don't see why you should care about Confederate Dominion children. When you can note why nations should care about domestic gambling laws for a reason more substantial than 'Think of the Children,' we will reconsider."

Oresland wrote:

Prohibit Minors from Gambling
Category: Gambling | Legalize/Outlaw: Outlaw

The World Assembly,

Recognizing that gambling is a major part of a country's industry,

Recognizing that gambling may cause addiction and that it may lead to people wanting to earn more and risking it all,

Wanting to preserve the innocence and protect children from this.

Hereby:

Defines minor as anybody below the age of majority in a nation

Defines gambling as the wagering of goods such as money or items of monetary value

Prohibits places from letting minors participate in gambling

Mandates member nations to facilitate the services for minors who have gambling problems

Urges member nations to teach minors the problems with gambling and the consequences of gambling addiction

States that nothing in this resolution stops nations from advertising gambling

This is my first GA proposal. Will appreciate any comments or feedback. Also, can someone help me with the final clause? Can't seem to find a way to make the clause seem grammatically correct (advertising gambling seems weird to me)

This isn't an international issue. Also,

Prohibits places from letting minors participate in gambling

Mandates member nations to facilitate the services for minors who have gambling problems

Urges member nations to teach minors the problems with gambling and the consequences of gambling addiction

How? How are member nations to prevent gambling amongst minors? This is just kind of left open ended.

Opposed.

“Not international, not a basic human right. Against.”

Separatist Peoples wrote:snippy snap

Once again the Separatist Peoples show themselves to be incapable of fun and little more then a source of bile.

Oresland wrote:Defines gambling as the wagering of goods such as money or items of monetary value

Prohibits places from letting minors participate in gambling

Leo looks up irritably. "What kind of 'places' did you have in mind, ambassador? Right now you're preventing a family reunion from running a penny-ante poker game. Hell, you're preventing parents from teaching their own children how to play in the first place! You've got to be a whole lot more specific and narrowly focused, sir, if you intend for this to go anywhere. We would also demand a blanket exception for young professionals playing with sponsors' money, since youth-friendly poker, blackjack, and billiards leagues would otherwise completely dry up under this horrid regime."

"I do not say we are totally and inevitably opposed, but barring serious rewrites we cannot support this."

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Hell, you're preventing parents from teaching their own children how to play in the first place!

Got a real backdoor ban out there. Perhaps we need to safeguard gambling?

"Some of the youth ambassadors for the Kenmoria WA mission play with Pokémon cards which are won after a match. This proposal would outlaw that for completely frivolous and local issues. Not an international issue, and therefore Kennoria is opposed."

"I can see how there would be issues letting children into large casinos, but as written, this proposal is far too overreaching."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Oresland wrote:"Please elaborate as to how children falling victim to a vicious cycle that could lead them to losing everything in the future is not an international issue. Even if it's not as big on the scale of say abortion or euthanasia, but it's still an international issue nonetheless."

Bell slides over the transcripts with hasty emphasis made.

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not really. Nobody in the C.D.S.P. will be affected if every Oreslandian child falls prey to gambling addiction. There is no transboundary aspect involved. Not. And international. Issue."

"An international issue has a cross-boundary effect. This has none. It is an attempt to regulate domestic gambling laws.

"Frankly, the C.D.S.P. doesn't care if Oreslandian children fall prey to this issue. It's a domestic issue for Oresland. We don't see why you should care about Confederate Dominion children. When you can note why nations should care about domestic gambling laws for a reason more substantial than 'Think of the Children,' we will reconsider."

"Children in Oresland aren't affected by gambling issues. We're doing this to try and prevent the consequences of gambling to children. And I see your point as to how this may not be an international issue and I'm sure that there isn't really much that I can try to convince with, since the proposal has to do with children and gambling."

Changed the language a bit to prohibit places like casinos, clubs and other gambling places from letting the minors participate. And, on Sierra Lyricalia's request, we have made it so gambling events may be done as long as it's monitored.

Aclion wrote:

Separatist Peoples wrote:snippy snap

Once again the Separatist Peoples show themselves to be incapable of fun and little more then a source of bile.

"In Confederate Dominion culture, one reserves levity for one's peers."

Oresland wrote:
"Children in Oresland aren't affected by gambling issues. We're doing this to try and prevent the consequences of gambling to children. And I see your point as to how this may not be an international issue and I'm sure that there isn't really much that I can try to convince with, since the proposal has to do with children and gambling."

"Then you see the issue with your idea. If you cannot reconcile your idea with the international nature of the GA, it's unlikely succeed. You should, perhaps, reconsider the scope of your attempt."

"So poker at the Drane family reunion would violate international law? That sounds excessive."

OOC: My concerns haven't been addressed.

Leo facepalms hard enough that the slap echoes through the debating chamber. "Ambassador, this is now almost worse. Now you're making it a violation of international law for some young whippersnappers to get together and have a friendly game of marbles, jacks, Magick: The Blithering, Chimpokomon... I don't even know what else. It is not the business of the World Assembly to criminalize childhood. This proposal is execrable; and if I sounded before as though I might support it, well, that was before you made the horror of your true intentions known. Good day."

Leo stands, and stalks from the chamber. The door makes a satisfying THUD as it shuts.

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OOC: You might have a case for this resolution if you take extreme care to limit it to commercial gambling houses only (i.e. businesses in which the house either runs all of the games, or takes a cut of all winnings). Trying to stick the WA's nose into every conceivable situation in which children might make wagers is a fool's errand of grotesque overreach and nanny state micromanagement the likes of which can scarcely be imagined. If you can whittle this thing down to a reasonable regulation of casinos and, like, daily fantasy sports or whatever, you might eventually have something. Good luck!

"You still haven't addressed any of our concerns. You've just thrown in a reference to casinos and doubled down on banning playing trading card games."

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: My concerns haven't been addressed.

OOC: To actually address your concern, I do believe that the kids playing on a sidewalk having to be watched over the police is ridiculous.

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:Leo facepalms hard enough that the slap echoes through the debating chamber. "Ambassador, this is now almost worse. Now you're making it a violation of international law for some young whippersnappers to get together and have a friendly game of marbles, jacks, Magick: The Blithering, Chimpokomon... I don't even know what else. It is not the business of the World Assembly to criminalize childhood. This proposal is execrable; and if I sounded before as though I might support it, well, that was before you made the horror of your true intentions known. Good day."

Leo stands, and stalks from the chamber. The door makes a satisfying THUD as it shuts.

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OOC: You might have a case for this resolution if you take extreme care to limit it to commercial gambling houses only (i.e. businesses in which the house either runs all of the games, or takes a cut of all winnings). Trying to stick the WA's nose into every conceivable situation in which children might make wagers is a fool's errand of grotesque overreach and nanny state micromanagement the likes of which can scarcely be imagined. If you can whittle this thing down to a reasonable regulation of casinos and, like, daily fantasy sports or whatever, you might eventually have something. Good luck!

OOC: Well, now that you mention it, I could try and change the language to make it as though what I want to prohibit is children gambling in casinos and clubs, but my intention was never to completely ban gambling between minors, just to try and regulate it a bit. Though I don't know if other nations might want to do this. But that's the reason why I made a draft.

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:"You still haven't addressed any of our concerns. You've just thrown in a reference to casinos and doubled down on banning playing trading card games."

"I'll be removing the first states line. I'll be trying to deal with some problems that may occur with the current proposal, since they were never our intention to create them."