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by Slavonia and Srijem » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:10 am
by Grays Harbor » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:12 am
by The New California Republic » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:34 am
The Unifists wrote:The New California Republic wrote:OOC: So you have basically just said that "I know that nobody supports my repeal, but the repeal is going to get passed anyway, even without anyone's support." You know that isn't how the World Assembly works, right? You actually need support to get something passed. It is wishful thinking on your part if you think that you can ever repeal #8...
Those who have contributed to this thread do not constitute the majority of Delegates or member nations. I also understand that the World Assembly does not work the way you accused me of believing it does. And no, it's not wishful thinking to believe that I, or any other member nation, can pass a repeal that must be passed.
The Unifists wrote:It's about representative equality in the WA, corruption, untrue claims of neutrality, and unevenly distributed political, economic, and social power. What I'm proposing is not a complete eradication of the HQ. I'm simply suggesting reform. But reform has to start as complete repeal.
by Deropia » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:22 am
Lieutenant-Commander Jason MacAlister Deropian Ambassador to the World Assembly macalister.j@diplomats.com Office 1302, 13th Floor, World Assembly Headquarters | Minister of WA Affairs [TNP] Captain, North Pacific Army Special Forces Former Speaker of the Regional Assembly [TNP] |
by Tzorsland » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:33 am
Sierra Lyricalia wrote:OOC: Occam's Razor would seem to dictate that the building needn't be demolished; just that the building management bureaucracy is dissolved.
by Unreasonable Nation » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:40 pm
by Araraukar » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:03 am
The Unifists wrote:There are many issues with GAR #8.
1)Although classified as international territory, the land that the Headquarters is located on is anything but neutral. Not all nations and regions in the World Assembly can give up land, and those that can, may retain influence over that ceded land and and the Office of Building Management. It is true that they may not have direct control over the land that was previously theirs, but they still have more influence with the OBM than other, smaller nations.
2)The GAR #8 supports the idea that the World Assembly Headquarters would promote "international cooperation and understanding... [as well as] international goodwill." While a World Assembly Headquarters should support these ideas, it does not. It simply serves as an esoteric and elitist platform for policy-making.
3)Based on the premise that the World Assembly Headquarters and the OBM are not completely neutral, one can see that granting the OBM the exclusive authority to change the fees for office space and the use of WA facilities is not ethical nor moral. The fees should be determined and regulated by at least the General Assembly, if not a special committee to make it truly neutral.
4)The OBM has the authority to ignore or delay requests for office space for weeks at a time. This further degrades the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM by granting those nations who can contribute the most in economic and political terms, as well as socially, more power over the day-to-day dealings of the World Assembly.
5)The selling of contracts to vendors, retailers, and other service providers that may have their headquarters in nations that are members of the World Assembly completely undermines the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM.
6)The condition of the "ambassadors and observers" prior to the proposal and passage of GAR #8 suggests that those who had a hand in this resolution being passed was not in their right mind. It suggests corruption through the fact that ambassadors let their personal lives overlap with their professional lives. The corruption claim is furthered with the admission to "ignoring the findings of a recent census of WA diplomats, revealing a disturbing prevalence among international envoys" of people who are not fit to serve in their capacities.
These were just a few of the issues that I found with the resolution. I am sure that others may find more.
You, on the other hand, have not told me what is so appealing about GAR #8. Yes, I understand that the roleplaying aspect is fun. However, with my resolution that will replace GAR #8, the roleplaying aspect will not be changed. So, what is so appealing about GAR #8?
Also, I understand that it will be difficult to pass the repeal, and nigh impossible to pass a replacement resolution. However, I must try for the integrity of the World Assembly and NationStates.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Separatist Peoples » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:05 pm
by Xmara » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:28 pm
The Unifists wrote:There are many issues with GAR #8.
1)Although classified as international territory, the land that the Headquarters is located on is anything but neutral. Not all nations and regions in the World Assembly can give up land, and those that can, may retain influence over that ceded land and and the Office of Building Management. It is true that they may not have direct control over the land that was previously theirs, but they still have more influence with the OBM than other, smaller nations.
2)The GAR #8 supports the idea that the World Assembly Headquarters would promote "international cooperation and understanding... [as well as] international goodwill." While a World Assembly Headquarters should support these ideas, it does not. It simply serves as an esoteric and elitist platform for policy-making.
3)Based on the premise that the World Assembly Headquarters and the OBM are not completely neutral, one can see that granting the OBM the exclusive authority to change the fees for office space and the use of WA facilities is not ethical nor moral. The fees should be determined and regulated by at least the General Assembly, if not a special committee to make it truly neutral.
4)The OBM has the authority to ignore or delay requests for office space for weeks at a time. This further degrades the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM by granting those nations who can contribute the most in economic and political terms, as well as socially, more power over the day-to-day dealings of the World Assembly.
5)The selling of contracts to vendors, retailers, and other service providers that may have their headquarters in nations that are members of the World Assembly completely undermines the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM.
6)The condition of the "ambassadors and observers" prior to the proposal and passage of GAR #8 suggests that those who had a hand in this resolution being passed was not in their right mind. It suggests corruption through the fact that ambassadors let their personal lives overlap with their professional lives. The corruption claim is furthered with the admission to "ignoring the findings of a recent census of WA diplomats, revealing a disturbing prevalence among international envoys" of people who are not fit to serve in their capacities.
These were just a few of the issues that I found with the resolution. I am sure that others may find more.
You, on the other hand, have not told me what is so appealing about GAR #8. Yes, I understand that the roleplaying aspect is fun. However, with my resolution that will replace GAR #8, the roleplaying aspect will not be changed. So, what is so appealing about GAR #8?
Also, I understand that it will be difficult to pass the repeal, and nigh impossible to pass a replacement resolution. However, I must try for the integrity of the World Assembly and NationStates.
by The New California Republic » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:45 pm
The Unifists wrote:1)Although classified as international territory, the land that the Headquarters is located on is anything but neutral. Not all nations and regions in the World Assembly can give up land, and those that can, may retain influence over that ceded land and and the Office of Building Management. It is true that they may not have direct control over the land that was previously theirs, but they still have more influence with the OBM than other, smaller nations.
The Unifists wrote:2)The GAR #8 supports the idea that the World Assembly Headquarters would promote "international cooperation and understanding... [as well as] international goodwill." While a World Assembly Headquarters should support these ideas, it does not. It simply serves as an esoteric and elitist platform for policy-making.
The Unifists wrote:3)Based on the premise that the World Assembly Headquarters and the OBM are not completely neutral, one can see that granting the OBM the exclusive authority to change the fees for office space and the use of WA facilities is not ethical nor moral. The fees should be determined and regulated by at least the General Assembly, if not a special committee to make it truly neutral.
The Unifists wrote:4)The OBM has the authority to ignore or delay requests for office space for weeks at a time. This further degrades the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM by granting those nations who can contribute the most in economic and political terms, as well as socially, more power over the day-to-day dealings of the World Assembly.
The Unifists wrote:5)The selling of contracts to vendors, retailers, and other service providers that may have their headquarters in nations that are members of the World Assembly completely undermines the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM.
The Unifists wrote:6)The condition of the "ambassadors and observers" prior to the proposal and passage of GAR #8 suggests that those who had a hand in this resolution being passed was not in their right mind. It suggests corruption through the fact that ambassadors let their personal lives overlap with their professional lives. The corruption claim is furthered with the admission to "ignoring the findings of a recent census of WA diplomats, revealing a disturbing prevalence among international envoys" of people who are not fit to serve in their capacities.
The Unifists wrote:These were just a few of the issues that I found with the resolution. I am sure that others may find more.
You, on the other hand, have not told me what is so appealing about GAR #8.
The Unifists wrote:Yes, I understand that the roleplaying aspect is fun. However, with my resolution that will replace GAR #8, the roleplaying aspect will not be changed.
by Unreasonable Nation » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:54 pm
The New California Republic wrote:The Unifists wrote:4)The OBM has the authority to ignore or delay requests for office space for weeks at a time. This further degrades the neutrality of the WAHQ and the OBM by granting those nations who can contribute the most in economic and political terms, as well as socially, more power over the day-to-day dealings of the World Assembly.
OOC: Where does it say that this is a thing? You are just making things up again.
Hereby:
Establishes the World Assembly Office of Building Management (OBM), the duties of which shall entail:
...
- ignoring or delaying requests for office space for weeks on end;
...
by Araraukar » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:58 pm
Unreasonable Nation wrote:Would it be correct to interpret the answers from Araraukar, Separatist Peoples, Xmara and New California Republic that you don't think any reasonable nation would support repealing GAR #8?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by The New California Republic » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:03 pm
Unreasonable Nation wrote:The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Where does it say that this is a thing? You are just making things up again.
This is the resolution in question:
viewtopic.php?p=320#p320Hereby:
Establishes the World Assembly Office of Building Management (OBM), the duties of which shall entail:
...
- ignoring or delaying requests for office space for weeks on end;
...
Unreasonable Nation wrote:Would it be correct to interpret the answers from Araraukar, Separatist Peoples, Xmara and New California Republic that you don't think any reasonable nation would support repealing GAR #8?
by Tzorsland » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:20 pm
by Araraukar » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:57 pm
Tzorsland wrote:OMB doesn't even have a role play aspect these days or even a physical presence.
Tzorsland wrote:When was the last time we had a conversation about the gnomes or the destructor bunnies that used to be all over the place?
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by The Unifists » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:34 pm
by Essu Beti » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:57 pm
National News Radio: A large-scale infrastructure project will soon be underway. During this time, for safety reasons, the island will be closed to tourists and foreign news agents. We do expect a minor loss in revenue due to this, but this will be greatly offset by both the long and short-term benefits of the infrastructure project. If your job is negatively impacted by the island closure, please send a letter or verbal message via courier to the Council so that we can add you to the list of beneficiaries of foreign aid.
by The Unifists » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:19 pm
Essu Beti wrote:OOC: Speaking as a relative newbie compared to everyone else (having only joined NationStates this past May), that’s a bullshit argument. If you want to be taken seriously, all you need to do is demonstrate a willingness to learn how things work.
by Essu Beti » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:25 pm
National News Radio: A large-scale infrastructure project will soon be underway. During this time, for safety reasons, the island will be closed to tourists and foreign news agents. We do expect a minor loss in revenue due to this, but this will be greatly offset by both the long and short-term benefits of the infrastructure project. If your job is negatively impacted by the island closure, please send a letter or verbal message via courier to the Council so that we can add you to the list of beneficiaries of foreign aid.
by Willania Imperium » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:33 pm
The Unifists wrote:Essu Beti wrote:OOC: Speaking as a relative newbie compared to everyone else (having only joined NationStates this past May), that’s a bullshit argument. If you want to be taken seriously, all you need to do is demonstrate a willingness to learn how things work.
Right. And have you submitted any proposals? Any at all? And if you have, have any garnered the necessary votes to constitute a quorum?
by The Unifists » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:44 pm
Willania Imperium wrote:The Unifists wrote:Right. And have you submitted any proposals? Any at all? And if you have, have any garnered the necessary votes to constitute a quorum?
OOC: Speak for yourself. You yourself are less than a week old, yet you act as if you are superior to a member who has been here for more than half a year and has been active in the WA. Why consider yourself better?
by Willania Imperium » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:51 pm
The Unifists wrote:Willania Imperium wrote:
OOC: Speak for yourself. You yourself are less than a week old, yet you act as if you are superior to a member who has been here for more than half a year and has been active in the WA. Why consider yourself better?
Because I am not just one nation. I am part of an underground group in NationStates called the Anonymist. I recently received the order to make the organization public, and serve as the liaison officer between the Anonymist and the World Assembly. The Anonymist's purpose is to curtail the World Assembly's power, particularly those long-standing Delegates and dictators.
by The Unifists » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:55 pm
Willania Imperium wrote:The Unifists wrote:Because I am not just one nation. I am part of an underground group in NationStates called the Anonymist. I recently received the order to make the organization public, and serve as the liaison officer between the Anonymist and the World Assembly. The Anonymist's purpose is to curtail the World Assembly's power, particularly those long-standing Delegates and dictators.
OOC: Alright, this is ridiculous. If you're not going to be serious, then I'm not going to waste my time on you. Just stop this nonsense and tell us what's your real agenda.
by The Unifists » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:01 pm
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