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[Submitted] Escort Health Act & Escort Education Act

Postby United Republic Empire » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:40 pm

Category: Social Justice
Strength: Mild

Description: The intent of this act to ensure better healthcare and higher education opportunities for employees that work in the escort services.

Defines Escort Services as: Companies that provide escorts for clients that request sexual interaction.

Defines Escort as: a person that may be hired to accompany someone or a group of individuals for sexual interaction purposes.

[Edit] - additional clause
Defines Sexual Interaction as: any sexual communication or stimulant for pleasure not involving genitalia usage.

Clarifies that workers presiding in sexual telecommunication services are also covered under this resolution.

Defines sexual telecommunication services as: companies that provide explicit sexual talk through any means of communication.

Clarifying
  • Better Healthcare standards as: Protecting health and preventing illnesses, Improving the quality of safety of care, Using resources efficiently to achieve the best possible quality and safety outcomes, and identifying health needs in order to provide treatment and prevention.
  • Higher Education as: the opportunity to pursue and achieve high-quality education and training beyond previous levels of school.
Establishing that all nations allow for their escort workers to obtain better healthcare standards and higher education.

[Edit] - rephrasing clause
Requires that all sexual products are of quality manufacturing for safer protection and undergo stringent testing.

Requires that member nations offer the chance for their escorts to apply for financial aid for the furtherance of higher education.

Declares that by increasing the quality of healthcare for escorts that the overall health quality of the population will increase as well

Co-Authored by Latrovia


Escort Health Act

Escort Education Act
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:43 pm

United Republic Empire wrote:Category: Social Justice
Strength: Mild

Description: The intent of this act to ensure better healthcare and higher education opportunities for employees that work in the escort services.

Defines Escort Services as: Companies that provide escorts for clients that request sexual interaction.

Defines Escort as: a person that may be hired to accompany someone or a group of individuals for sexual interaction purposes.

Clarifies that workers presiding in sexual telecommunication services are also covered under this resolution.

Defines sexual telecommunication services as: companies that provide explicit sexual talk through any means of communication.

Clarifying
  • Better Healthcare standards as: Protecting health and preventing illnesses, Improving the quality of safety of care, Using resources efficiently to achieve the best possible quality and safety outcomes, and identifying health needs in order to provide treatment and prevention.
  • Higher Education as: the opportunity to pursue and achieve high-quality education and training beyond previous levels of school.
Establishing that all nations allow for their escort workers to obtain better healthcare standards and higher education.

Requires that all sexual products are better manufactured for safer protection and undergo stringent testing.

Requires that member nations offer the chance for their escorts to apply for financial aid for the furtherance of higher education.

Declares that by increasing the quality of healthcare for escorts that the overall health quality of the population will increase as well

Co-Authored by Latrovia

That's nice, although aren't escorts opening themselves up for criminal charges, as prostitution is illegal in many nations?
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Postby Alpha Cassiopeiae » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:36 pm

"Ambassador, I don't see how the operative clauses relate to the stated purpose of the act. The safety of sexual products is only tangentially related to prostitution and financial aid, if offered in a nation, is presumably not being refused to people on the basis of prostitution, because that would be absurd.

In addition to the concerns about their relevancy, I must say that these operative clauses are highly problematic in their own right. First, they require two wildly different things of nations. Second, the first clause requires nations to better manufacture sexual products before they've even tested them for safety and efficacy. If there is nothing wrong with the manufacture as current, then requiring nations to improve it is absurd. Third, the second clause would require all nations to implement a financial aid system if it doesn't already exist and offer it only to a specific subsection of people. Requiring nations to set up such a complex system without any guidelines when the clause is only tangentially related to your purpose anyway is, to put it very mildly, quite problematic. Fourth, the act doesn't actually stipulate for decriminalisation of prostitution, so anybody trying to take advantage of these benefits in a nation where such actions are illegal could be arrested on the spot!"
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"For the clause beginning with 'Clarifying', don't put it in both italics and bolding, it makes it harder to read for the ambassadors. It also is a strange word choice. I would suggest changing it to something like 'mandates' to make it read better."
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Postby United Republic Empire » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:26 am

Alpha Cassiopeiae wrote:"Ambassador, I don't see how the operative clauses relate to the stated purpose of the act. The safety of sexual products is only tangentially related to prostitution and financial aid, if offered in a nation, is presumably not being refused to people on the basis of prostitution, because that would be absurd.

In addition to the concerns about their relevancy, I must say that these operative clauses are highly problematic in their own right. First, they require two wildly different things of nations. Second, the first clause requires nations to better manufacture sexual products before they've even tested them for safety and efficacy. If there is nothing wrong with the manufacture as current, then requiring nations to improve it is absurd. Third, the second clause would require all nations to implement a financial aid system if it doesn't already exist and offer it only to a specific subsection of people. Requiring nations to set up such a complex system without any guidelines when the clause is only tangentially related to your purpose anyway is, to put it very mildly, quite problematic. Fourth, the act doesn't actually stipulate for decriminalisation of prostitution, so anybody trying to take advantage of these benefits in a nation where such actions are illegal could be arrested on the spot!"


Escorts are considered to be legal and prostitution as illegal. A prostitute does sexual acts for money and thus they are illegal. An escort is like a companion, and the payment is made for the companionship and not for sex even if it happens. This is why escorts are legal.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:34 am

Kenmoria wrote:"For the clause beginning with 'Clarifying', don't put it in both italics and bolding, it makes it harder to read for the ambassadors. It also is a strange word choice. I would suggest changing it to something like 'mandates' to make it read better."


clarifying is used because it means - to make (an idea, statement, etc.) clear or intelligible; to free from ambiguity. whereas mandate is - an authoritative order or command:

I'm not giving an order or command on the parts that have clarify or clarifying. I am making the statement clear and free from doubtfulness or uncertainty.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:57 am

Necessary edits have been made and logged on the original proposal
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Postby Essu Beti » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:12 am

United Republic Empire wrote:Escorts are considered to be legal and prostitution as illegal. A prostitute does sexual acts for money and thus they are illegal. An escort is like a companion, and the payment is made for the companionship and not for sex even if it happens. This is why escorts are legal.


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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:18 am

OOC: It just seems to me that this Draft is trying to do too much. Perhaps it would be better to just focus on a few key clauses, instead of trying to solve all of the potential problems with escort services in one go?
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Postby United Republic Empire » Fri Dec 22, 2017 6:36 am

The proposal has been submitted now

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1513944045
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:02 am

We will not be supporting this legislation.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:45 am

United Republic Empire wrote:The proposal has been submitted now

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1513944045

OOC: That was a mistake, this is nowhere near ready.
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:47 am

Escort service Act

Category: Social Justice

Strength: Mild

Proposed by: United Republic Empire

Description: The intent of this act to ensure better healthcare and higher education opportunities for employees that work in the escort services.

Defines Escort Services as: Companies that provide escorts for clients that request sexual interaction.

Defines Escort as: a person that may be hired to accompany someone or a group of individuals for sexual interaction purposes.

Defines Sexual Interaction as: any sexual communication or stimulant for pleasure not involving genitalia usage.

Clarifies that workers presiding in sexual telecommunication services are also covered under this resolution.

Defines sexual telecommunication services as: companies that provide explicit sexual talk through any means of communication.

Clarifying

  • Better Healthcare standards as: Protecting health and preventing illnesses, Improving the quality of safety of care, Using resources efficiently to achieve the best possible quality and safety outcomes, and identifying health needs in order to provide treatment and prevention.
  • Higher Education as: the opportunity to pursue and achieve high-quality education and training beyond previous levels of school.

Establishing that all nations allow for their escort workers to obtain better healthcare standards and higher education.

Requires that all sexual products are of quality manufacturing for safer protection and undergo stringent testing.

Requires that member nations offer the chance for their escorts to apply for financial aid for the furtherance of higher education.

Declares that by increasing the quality of healthcare for escorts that the overall health quality of the population will increase as well

Co-Authored by Latrovia

OOC: Exactly what in this raises basic welfare and reduces income inequality at the cost of commerce? If healthcare was your main concern, then this is in the wrong category.

Also, what makes you think that sex workers cannot be highly educated?

And the definition for "sexual interaction" is the stupidest I've ever heard, due to "not involving genitalia usage". Exactly what do you think that someone who calls a phone sex worker is doing with their own genitals? And since that definition lacks the "for the purposes of this resolution" modifier, that's going to be the definition for sexual interaction from now onwards (if this was going to pass).
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Postby United Republic Empire » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:41 am

Araraukar wrote:
Escort service Act

Category: Social Justice

Strength: Mild

Proposed by: United Republic Empire

Description: The intent of this act to ensure better healthcare and higher education opportunities for employees that work in the escort services.

Defines Escort Services as: Companies that provide escorts for clients that request sexual interaction.

Defines Escort as: a person that may be hired to accompany someone or a group of individuals for sexual interaction purposes.

Defines Sexual Interaction as: any sexual communication or stimulant for pleasure not involving genitalia usage.

Clarifies that workers presiding in sexual telecommunication services are also covered under this resolution.

Defines sexual telecommunication services as: companies that provide explicit sexual talk through any means of communication.

Clarifying

  • Better Healthcare standards as: Protecting health and preventing illnesses, Improving the quality of safety of care, Using resources efficiently to achieve the best possible quality and safety outcomes, and identifying health needs in order to provide treatment and prevention.
  • Higher Education as: the opportunity to pursue and achieve high-quality education and training beyond previous levels of school.

Establishing that all nations allow for their escort workers to obtain better healthcare standards and higher education.

Requires that all sexual products are of quality manufacturing for safer protection and undergo stringent testing.

Requires that member nations offer the chance for their escorts to apply for financial aid for the furtherance of higher education.

Declares that by increasing the quality of healthcare for escorts that the overall health quality of the population will increase as well

Co-Authored by Latrovia

OOC: Exactly what in this raises basic welfare and reduces income inequality at the cost of commerce? If healthcare was your main concern, then this is in the wrong category.

Also, what makes you think that sex workers cannot be highly educated?

And the definition for "sexual interaction" is the stupidest I've ever heard, due to "not involving genitalia usage". Exactly what do you think that someone who calls a phone sex worker is doing with their own genitals? And since that definition lacks the "for the purposes of this resolution" modifier, that's going to be the definition for sexual interaction from now onwards (if this was going to pass).


This was the category recommended to me by GenSec when I spoke with them for advice. The definitions I provided show that an escort is not a "sex" worker. It would be nice though if NS had their own version of a dictionary. I think it would be a good idea/project.

Nevertheless though, Thank you for your input and any suggestions it's much appreciated. I've had the thread open for nine days and I am glad to hear from as many voices as possible.
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Postby Stoskavanya » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:53 am

Why do escorts need this legislation at all. Nothing is stopping them from getting an education and I don't see any major health risk in their occupation using the definition you gave.

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Postby Imperial Polk County » Fri Dec 22, 2017 8:58 am

Stoskavanya wrote:Why do escorts need this legislation at all. Nothing is stopping them from getting an education and I don't see any major health risk in their occupation using the definition you gave.

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United Republic Empire wrote:This was the category recommended to me by GenSec when I spoke with them for advice.

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I said that Social justice was more appropriate than whatever category you'd previously used (Human Rights?), but IIRC I also suggested drafting here and waiting for feedback before re-submitting.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:04 am

Bears Armed wrote:
United Republic Empire wrote:This was the category recommended to me by GenSec when I spoke with them for advice.

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I said that Social justice was more appropriate than whatever category you'd previously used (Human Rights?), but IIRC I also suggested drafting here and waiting for feedback before re-submitting.


It sat in the draft stage here for nine days. I decided it must be alright since no more inputs were coming in. I took advice and updated as well. Yes you are correct on the previous category that it was changed from during the draft.
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Postby Essu Beti » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:33 am

United Republic Empire wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:OOC
I said that Social justice was more appropriate than whatever category you'd previously used (Human Rights?), but IIRC I also suggested drafting here and waiting for feedback before re-submitting.


It sat in the draft stage here for nine days. I decided it must be alright since no more inputs were coming in. I took advice and updated as well. Yes you are correct on the previous category that it was changed from during the draft.


((OOC: You had two inputs just sitting there that you completely ignored.))
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:34 am

United Republic Empire wrote:The definitions I provided show that an escort is not a "sex" worker.

OOC: I said phone sex worker, because your thingy mentions communications. What exactly did you think "communications" meant in this context?

United Republic Empire wrote:It sat in the draft stage here for nine days. I decided it must be alright since no more inputs were coming in. I took advice and updated as well. Yes you are correct on the previous category that it was changed from during the draft.

OOC still: Just the change of category would've been enough to ask for more opinions. Unless new posts are added to the thread, no-one will know you updated the draft. (And like EB mentioned, you had unaddressed comments.)

I suggest you withdraw the submission - you can do that on the proposal's page - and continue drafting. Addressing the category issue would be a good start, and for that you'll need to decide your focus. In addition to which, the whole healthcare angle makes little sense if no sex takes place, as that means no sexually transmitted diseases.
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Postby Neo-Modig Ny Verden » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:34 am

I support this proposal.

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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 22, 2017 11:35 am

Neo-Modig Ny Verden wrote:I support this proposal.

OOC: Even though it is very flawed?
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There is no practical or fundamental difference between this and the Clean Prostitute Act. None. I do not support pointless duplication. Particularly duplication whose entire basis is semantics.
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Postby United Republic Empire » Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:33 pm

Araraukar wrote:
And the definition for "sexual interaction" is the stupidest I've ever heard, due to "not involving genitalia usage". Exactly what do you think that someone who calls a phone sex worker is doing with their own genitals? And since that definition lacks the "for the purposes of this resolution" modifier, that's going to be the definition for sexual interaction from now onwards (if this was going to pass).


So why would it matter if the customer is pleasuring themselves during the phone call because the worker isn't physically touching the customer correct ? So since there is no physical contact there is also no illegal activities going on.

To answer your question - whatever they so feel is necessary for their enjoyment/entertainment. They don't necessarily have to touching themselves in an adult entertainment manner. Some people may find the conversation alone with no physical stimulation to be enough for their enjoyment.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:01 am

United Republic Empire wrote:So why would it matter if the customer is pleasuring themselves during the phone call because the worker isn't physically touching the customer correct ? So since there is no physical contact there is also no illegal activities going on.

OOC: Except that's not what your proposal says. Your proposal says "not involving genitalia usage". It doesn't specify them using the genitalia on each other.

Some people may find the conversation alone with no physical stimulation to be enough for their enjoyment.

...you do realize that that's going to be a tiiiiiny portion of people who would call a sex line? Or log onto live video feed or sex chat or whatnot.
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